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Post by moekid on Dec 19, 2023 9:51:18 GMT -7
Freak what’s the feeling in the Burgh? Time to move on from Tomlin? Hasn’t he been there longer than Cowher at this point? Cowher 15 years, Tomlin 16th year. The fans here are spoiled. So you don't do SB, they do not like you. The fans want to move on. The trouble is the Rooney family. HC is a job for life with them. Tony Dungy told Tomlin to take the job: "You'll be there for life !". Their last loss was unique though. Tomlin said paraphrasing. "We were bad in all 3 phases. I don't have the answers because if I did we would not be bad in all 3 phases." It was a strange admission. That’s one thing I like about Tomlin. Actually I like his toughness too. But he said earlier what we’re doing disldnt work so we’re going to have to make changes. Instead of we had a plan just didn’t execute |
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Post by moekid on Dec 19, 2023 9:53:45 GMT -7
Coaching matters: The Rams sold their soul to win a SB. I think they had 30 rookies in camp this year. They are 7-7 and fighting for a playoff spot. : Sean McVay That’s the story in LA. Chargers were supposed to contend, Rams were rebuilding and it would take a year or two. Instead the Rams hit a home run with Pacua taken in the 5th and Kyren Williams taken in the 5th the prior year. Rb and Wr stars. Their leaky OL has been a strength instead and defensive plays well. It’s a testament to McVay and the GM |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 20, 2023 7:20:29 GMT -7
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 20, 2023 7:21:44 GMT -7
A 'decade plus' seems overly optimistic, eh
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 20, 2023 7:24:09 GMT -7
A 'decade plus' seems overly optimistic, eh its just exciting to see them talking to big names, if the story is accurate.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 20, 2023 7:34:51 GMT -7
A 'decade plus' seems overly optimistic, eh its just exciting to see them talking to big names, if the story is accurate. Yes, it makes for good reading..... In that view, I was reading some article on the subject, GM and HC openings, and J Spanos was quoted quite a bit. If the quotes are reasonably accurate, J Spanos is definitely FOS.....
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 20, 2023 7:48:56 GMT -7
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 20, 2023 8:04:20 GMT -7
Interesting viewpoint.....but with the Chargers there are three things needed. Quarterback....Herbert....check. Head coach...Harbaugh....check. Tell J Spanos to shut up and get out of the way.......there is the problem in Chargerville.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 20, 2023 8:19:08 GMT -7
John Spanos was asked what the limits were on hiring the next HC. "No limitations."
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Post by amped on Dec 20, 2023 8:19:32 GMT -7
Interesting viewpoint.....but with the Chargers there are three things needed. Quarterback....Herbert....check. Head coach...Harbaugh....check. Tell J Spanos to shut up and get out of the way.......there is the problem in Chargerville. I don't think meddling is the problem. I seriously doubt that they previously had jumped on team personal decisions.
The Spanos problem has always been one of front office choices and external to the cap spending.
"Tom, get the best coach for the job under 5 mill a year" or having a set budget for the coaching and front office staff.
"in order for us to improve out profit margins we need to keep the coaching staff total labor costs below (some number)" And then incentivize meeting that budget for Billy Mac.
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Post by moekid on Dec 20, 2023 9:39:46 GMT -7
There are also reports that the Raiders have a contract ready to sign for Harbaugh and that Tom Brady (UM alum) and his agent Don Yee are involved.
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Post by sdc on Dec 20, 2023 9:50:28 GMT -7
Interesting viewpoint.....but with the Chargers there are three things needed. Quarterback....Herbert....check. Head coach...Harbaugh....check. Tell J Spanos to shut up and get out of the way.......there is the problem in Chargerville.I don't think meddling is the problem. I seriously doubt that they previously had jumped on team personal decisions.
The Spanos problem has always been one of front office choices and external to the cap spending.
"Tom, get the best coach for the job under 5 mill a year" or having a set budget for the coaching and front office staff.
"in order for us to improve out profit margins we need to keep the coaching staff total labor costs below (some number)" And then incentivize meeting that budget for Billy Mac.
I think that is more media than fact. I don't think you spend a quarter of a billion dollars in players salaries a year then try to save a few bucks on a head coach. I do believe that the front office thought that they were closer than they really were. Staley's hiring was widely applauded and many thought we had found the defensive Sean McVay. Sean Payton was not available at that point and if I recall all the other serious candidates were coordinators as well. From what I have read, the Spanos family is widely respected amongst the other owners. I think it's philosophy and culture that are the barriers and not the checkbook. The media needs clicks and the cheap Spanos family seems to get them that. Just like the inaccurate "Coupon Tom" nonsense. The irony is that by over spending on guys like JC Jackson, Telesco was shown the door. That and not picking the right HC multiple times.
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Post by sdc on Dec 20, 2023 9:51:42 GMT -7
There are also reports that the Raiders have a contract ready to sign for Harbaugh and that Tom Brady (UM alum) and his agent Don Yee are involved. He would be a fool to pick the Raiders over the Chargers. I also hear a lot about Gruden returning to the Raiders.
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Post by lazylightning on Dec 20, 2023 10:07:06 GMT -7
I don't think meddling is the problem. I seriously doubt that they previously had jumped on team personal decisions.
The Spanos problem has always been one of front office choices and external to the cap spending.
"Tom, get the best coach for the job under 5 mill a year" or having a set budget for the coaching and front office staff.
"in order for us to improve out profit margins we need to keep the coaching staff total labor costs below (some number)" And then incentivize meeting that budget for Billy Mac.
I think that is more media than fact. I don't think you spend a quarter of a billion dollars in players salaries a year then try to save a few bucks on a head coach. I do believe that the front office thought that they were closer than they really were. Staley's hiring was widely applauded and many thought we had found the defensive Sean McVay. Sean Payton was not available at that point and if I recall all the other serious candidates were coordinators as well. From what I have read, the Spanos family is widely respected amongst the other owners. I think it's philosophy and culture that are the barriers and not the checkbook. The media needs clicks and the cheap Spanos family seems to get them that. Just like the inaccurate "Coupon Tom" nonsense. The irony is that by over spending on guys like JC Jackson, Telesco was shown the door. That and not picking the right HC multiple times. I would add that the lack of drafting talented depth players over the years was also a factor.
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Post by amped on Dec 20, 2023 10:54:07 GMT -7
I think that is more media than fact. I don't think you spend a quarter of a billion dollars in players salaries a year then try to save a few bucks on a head coach. I do believe that the front office thought that they were closer than they really were. Staley's hiring was widely applauded and many thought we had found the defensive Sean McVay. Sean Payton was not available at that point and if I recall all the other serious candidates were coordinators as well. From what I have read, the Spanos family is widely respected amongst the other owners. I think it's philosophy and culture that are the barriers and not the checkbook. The media needs clicks and the cheap Spanos family seems to get them that. Just like the inaccurate "Coupon Tom" nonsense. The irony is that by over spending on guys like JC Jackson, Telesco was shown the door. That and not picking the right HC multiple times. I would add that the lack of drafting talented depth players over the years was also a factor. they are already paying him he may as well come back and coach
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