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Post by frozendisc on Jun 15, 2024 16:27:03 GMT -7
Not everyone is a Brady. Shortening the time QB's have to throw is a goal the bolts need to improve on. It is what hurt out secondary the most IMO. Yes. Pass rush is a major focus on this Chargers D, as it should be with the personnel we have. It was recently pointed out that the scoring D was 28th on avg during Herbert's career thus far. Top 10 is doable in 2024. When did stopping the run no longer need to be the focus? Chargers are known for: Can't run the ball, can't stop the run.
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 15, 2024 19:13:14 GMT -7
Jefferson is more an on-field coach for the coming training camp IMO. I have doubts that he makes the 53. The IPP WR doesn't count against roster numbers for two years. You may be right about Tony. Has bounced around for 10 years on 4 different teams and one twice. Still not exactly a vote of confidence in JT or AJ I agree. Jefferson makes 6 S after DJ and Lo. I think they will split into 3 O and 3 D teams in training camp and move 1-2-3s around so maybe the numbers work for that.
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 15, 2024 19:45:04 GMT -7
Yes. Pass rush is a major focus on this Chargers D, as it should be with the personnel we have. It was recently pointed out that the scoring D was 28th on avg during Herbert's career thus far. Top 10 is doable in 2024. When did stopping the run no longer need to be the focus? Chargers are known for: Can't run the ball, can't stop the run. Oddly enough, we were average vs run last year and pass D was #30. Last year.
The IDL has several 300+ players and the ILBs have better talent and the bomb run stopper Perryman. Not to mention coaching. No idea why the last DC didn't get much out of those groups. They were better than they played. No matter. There have been a lot of changes. Clearly run D and pass D both need to be better than average.
DC Minter has previous NFL experience, was #1 in college and has a great staff, some great, many good players.
ps: Our pass rushers are very good vs run also.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 16, 2024 6:13:11 GMT -7
When did stopping the run no longer need to be the focus? Chargers are known for: Can't run the ball, can't stop the run. Oddly enough, we were average vs run last year and pass D was #30. Last year.
The IDL has several 300+ players and the ILBs have better talent and the bomb run stopper Perryman. Not to mention coaching. No idea why the last DC didn't get much out of those groups. They were better than they played. No matter. There have been a lot of changes. Clearly run D and pass D both need to be better than average.
DC Minter has previous NFL experience, was #1 in college and has a great staff, some great, many good players.
ps: Our pass rushers are very good vs run also.
Yes, many changes have been made, and in the Spring every change has strong belief, eh
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Post by sdc on Jun 16, 2024 8:13:42 GMT -7
Yes. Pass rush is a major focus on this Chargers D, as it should be with the personnel we have. It was recently pointed out that the scoring D was 28th on avg during Herbert's career thus far. Top 10 is doable in 2024. When did stopping the run no longer need to be the focus? Chargers are known for: Can't run the ball, can't stop the run. More accurately, the Chargers are known for not being able to control the trenches on both sides of the ball. That seems to be the primary focus of the new leadership. Build it from the inside out. To contradict your point. Improving the pass rush falls under that umbrella and isn’t mutually exclusive with stopping the run.
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 16, 2024 9:16:48 GMT -7
When did stopping the run no longer need to be the focus? Chargers are known for: Can't run the ball, can't stop the run. More accurately, the Chargers are known for not being able to control the trenches on both sides of the ball. That seems to be the primary focus of the new leadership. Build it from the inside out. To contradict your point. Improving the pass rush falls under that umbrella and isn’t mutually exclusive with stopping the run. Well said.
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Post by totallybolted on Jun 18, 2024 15:49:30 GMT -7
When did stopping the run no longer need to be the focus? Chargers are known for: Can't run the ball, can't stop the run. More accurately, the Chargers are known for not being able to control the trenches on both sides of the ball. That seems to be the primary focus of the new leadership. Build it from the inside out. To contradict your point. Improving the pass rush falls under that umbrella and isn’t mutually exclusive with stopping the run. This was going to be my reply. Thank you To his, yes both need to be improved. But my post was specifically in regard to the pass rush.
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 23, 2024 10:45:35 GMT -7
Stopping scoring is the defensive goal. Getting takeaways adds to the effectiveness. Run, pass yardage stats are interesting but we need to avoid allowing points scored against us. Duh. One hopes Minter is total D minded. Seeking advantage in every regard to give the ball to our O. Everybody plays R/ P. DL slap down passes, free safeties tackle runners, etc. as well as Edge sack QB, DBs get picks, LBs do it all.
I know y'all know this but run D, pass D stats get too much attention over scoring stats. They're usefull in deciding why our scoring D is struggling but when we're good it will be total D.
Go Bolts! July 16 can't come too soon.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 23, 2024 14:10:17 GMT -7
Stopping scoring is the defensive goal. Getting takeaways adds to the effectiveness. Run, pass yardage stats are interesting but we need to avoid allowing points scored against us. Duh. One hopes Minter is total D minded. Seeking advantage in every regard to give the ball to our O. Everybody plays R/ P. DL slap down passes, free safeties tackle runners, etc. as well as Edge sack QB, DBs get picks, LBs do it all. I know y'all know this but run D, pass D stats get too much attention over scoring stats. They're usefull in deciding why our scoring D is struggling but when we're good it will be total D. Go Bolts! July 16 can't come too soon. The only statistic that really matters is win/loss.....
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 24, 2024 9:46:14 GMT -7
Stopping scoring is the defensive goal. Getting takeaways adds to the effectiveness. Run, pass yardage stats are interesting but we need to avoid allowing points scored against us. Duh. One hopes Minter is total D minded. Seeking advantage in every regard to give the ball to our O. Everybody plays R/ P. DL slap down passes, free safeties tackle runners, etc. as well as Edge sack QB, DBs get picks, LBs do it all. I know y'all know this but run D, pass D stats get too much attention over scoring stats. They're usefull in deciding why our scoring D is struggling but when we're good it will be total D. Go Bolts! July 16 can't come too soon. The only statistic that really matters is win/loss..... Yep. To play with top teams takes Offense, Defense and Special Teams. Any weakness will be exploited. Last year our rushing offense, pass defense were bottom dwellers. Special Teams were our best group.
Special Teams, specifically kick-off will be hard to figure with the new rules. If Ficken gets it right, we'll have an advantage. We lacked balance on O and D. Hortiz and Harbaugh have taken steps to correct that. Level of success TBD but it's likely we'll be better.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 24, 2024 9:56:49 GMT -7
The only statistic that really matters is win/loss..... Yep. To play with top teams takes Offense, Defense and Special Teams. Any weakness will be exploited. Last year our rushing offense, pass defense were bottom dwellers. Special Teams were our best group.
Special Teams, specifically kick-off will be hard to figure with the new rules. If Ficken gets it right, we'll have an advantage. We lacked balance on O and D. Hortiz and Harbaugh have taken steps to correct that. Level of success TBD but it's likely we'll be better.
All of the top clubs have plenty of talent, and that is where I think the Chargers find their weakness. That said, it is a special skill of Harbaugh's to get players to exceed their perceived ceilings, and winning breeds winning.....so it will be an interesting season.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 25, 2024 5:01:57 GMT -7
They are just loading up on Edge. I would argue we have the best Edge group in the NFL, 3 of them are Stars. Is Brash good enough to displace Rumph ? I think he may be, so that's an improvement in depth. OLB / Edge is a tough group to crack. Mack, Bosa, Tuli, Dupree. Plus one I think.
Rumph, Farmer, Collins, Brash, Jackson, Mason, Shelby, Jackson need to bring their A game in TC.
Minter wants five starters he can rotate. Have fresh legs at crunch time, if it gets there.
We are loaded at Edge, just loaded !! That allows me to be very very picky. I need Rumph replaced. When you look at the 4 primos that you listed Rumph is a drop off from there. I am hoping some Brash guy explodes.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 25, 2024 5:49:33 GMT -7
OLB / Edge is a tough group to crack. Mack, Bosa, Tuli, Dupree. Plus one I think.
Rumph, Farmer, Collins, Brash, Jackson, Mason, Shelby, Jackson need to bring their A game in TC.
Minter wants five starters he can rotate. Have fresh legs at crunch time, if it gets there.
We are loaded at Edge, just loaded !! That allows me to be very very picky. I need Rumph replaced. When you look at the 4 primos that you listed Rumph is a drop off from there. I am hoping some Brash guy explodes. With what they are paying Bosa and Mack, I wonder what the expected percentage of defence plays is believed for them. Leaving what for Tuli and Dupree..... That fifth guy should not see much plays, barring injury.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 26, 2024 5:10:31 GMT -7
We are loaded at Edge, just loaded !! That allows me to be very very picky. I need Rumph replaced. When you look at the 4 primos that you listed Rumph is a drop off from there. I am hoping some Brash guy explodes. With what they are paying Bosa and Mack, I wonder what the expected percentage of defence plays is believed for them. Leaving what for Tuli and Dupree..... That fifth guy should not see much plays, barring injury..... That fifth guy keep in mind needs to be a good special teams player. When you have 5 guys in camp that are 5th deep on a roster, it is often the ST play that gets the job. Tuipulotu stepped up big way with Joey Bosa (320 snaps) playing in nine games this season. That is maybe 30%. Mack played 934 snaps (81.08 percent) and did not miss a game in his two seasons with the team. Which is freaking awesome !!!!I am absolutely in love with Tuipulotu. What a football player he is !!!! I have secret desires for him.
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Post by totallybolted on Jun 26, 2024 6:41:20 GMT -7
We are loaded at Edge, just loaded !! That allows me to be very very picky. I need Rumph replaced. When you look at the 4 primos that you listed Rumph is a drop off from there. I am hoping some Brash guy explodes. With what they are paying Bosa and Mack, I wonder what the expected percentage of defence plays is believed for them. Leaving what for Tuli and Dupree..... That fifth guy should not see much plays, barring injury..... I expect rotation to be higher than normal. that 5th guy will see play. This will play into the strength needed later in the game
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