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Post by frozendisc on Nov 27, 2019 20:57:58 GMT -7
You are delusional in thinking Taylor is the answer, and even more delusional in thinking they move away from Rivers. Clubs don't walk from HOF QB's......and don't throw the Colts/Peyton crap at me. It can, and is, ALL ON THE OLINE...... Fix the OL, you will fix the offence. It really is that simple. Didn't say Taylor was the answer to anything, I just want to see what he can do... And yea the oline is not top tier, but a HoF QB should not have to use a bad oline as a crutch either... PR is on pace for the lowest number of TD passes for his career as a starter.
Wanting Taylor to play over Rivers implies you think Taylor might be the answer.......just be an adult and stand up and say it, you want Taylor over Rivers. The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 27, 2019 22:57:18 GMT -7
Didn't say Taylor was the answer to anything, I just want to see what he can do... And yea the oline is not top tier, but a HoF QB should not have to use a bad oline as a crutch either... PR is on pace for the lowest number of TD passes for his career as a starter.
Wanting Taylor to play over Rivers implies you think Taylor might be the answer.......just be an adult and stand up and say it, you want Taylor over Rivers. The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks. I think this too looks past the broader problems. It’s the OL, certainly. But it’s also Rivers — always tough, but almost always flustered in the playoffs and key games. And it’s also coaching. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 28, 2019 3:19:02 GMT -7
Wanting Taylor to play over Rivers implies you think Taylor might be the answer.......just be an adult and stand up and say it, you want Taylor over Rivers. The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks. I think this too looks past the broader problems. It’s the OL, certainly. But it’s also Rivers — always tough, but almost always flustered in the playoffs and key games. And it’s also coaching. I'm not advocating either way at this point. I need more data. But I can tell you this: There is a lot of outside pundits saying Rivers is done, or at a minimum that we should move on. You can call it no Ring, whatever. But there is something to the "its the same story every year with the Chargers" that strikes a chord in me. I'm sure it does with you guys as well. We are SO loyal, and there is misery to be found with the same story year after year after year. At some point I go Ok. Its hard. Its tough. Now what do we do about it. Maybe its this side of Freakville to say "Let's do the same thing again in September !"
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 28, 2019 3:46:07 GMT -7
Didn't say Taylor was the answer to anything, I just want to see what he can do... And yea the oline is not top tier, but a HoF QB should not have to use a bad oline as a crutch either... PR is on pace for the lowest number of TD passes for his career as a starter.
The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks. The answer to what ? The next franchise QB ? Maybe not. The answer to winning this week ? Maybe so. For the record, I don't have to be an adult. Ever. Riddle me this BatGoalie. We all acknowledge how incredible Bill Belichick is. What do you think he would do with Rivers last 2 games (or 5 games). Can you imagine that ? Holy hell already. If he didn't take a baseball bat to him, at a MINIMUM he would bench him. Maybe that's just what GOAT's do.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 28, 2019 6:40:36 GMT -7
Didn't say Taylor was the answer to anything, I just want to see what he can do... And yea the oline is not top tier, but a HoF QB should not have to use a bad oline as a crutch either... PR is on pace for the lowest number of TD passes for his career as a starter.
.......just be an adult and stand up and say it, you want Taylor over Rivers. The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks. Maybe in your world it does... "I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO" I've said that in the last few posts. Soooooo.... Yea if Taylor is the opposite of the shit show PR is, then yea start Taylor. If he "blows", then bench him and we suffer with old man PR till they draft a replacement.
It seems easier at this point to change 1 player (qb) instead of 2 or 3 (oline) this late in the season... If Taylor can play better behind that oline I'm all for it, if not then whatever...
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 28, 2019 7:52:31 GMT -7
Wanting Taylor to play over Rivers implies you think Taylor might be the answer.......just be an adult and stand up and say it, you want Taylor over Rivers. The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks. I think this too looks past the broader problems. It’s the OL, certainly. But it’s also Rivers — always tough, but almost always flustered in the playoffs and key games. And it’s also coaching. When playing those games against the better teams, such as in the PO's, those teams exploit the weaknesses. If Rivers is considered the 'weakness' that needs to be exploited, it stands that the OL is the most important aspect impeding that exploitation. It has been said many times, get to Rivers, sack him, bump him, make him rush his throws, and you will likely win the game. I personally think that statement is accurate regardless of who the QB is. I am in no way exonerating Rivers' poor play, but he is a future HOF member, and certainly a franchise QB. TT needs to fix what needs fixing, and that is the poor talent in the OL group. Until that is accomplished, it won't matter who the QB is. The blame in my view follows as such: Injuries, lack of talent in the depth players, poor coaching. No single person is to shoulder the blame......
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 28, 2019 7:56:27 GMT -7
I think this too looks past the broader problems. It’s the OL, certainly. But it’s also Rivers — always tough, but almost always flustered in the playoffs and key games. And it’s also coaching. I'm not advocating either way at this point. I need more data. But I can tell you this: There is a lot of outside pundits saying Rivers is done, or at a minimum that we should move on. You can call it no Ring, whatever. But there is something to the "its the same story every year with the Chargers" that strikes a chord in me. I'm sure it does with you guys as well. We are SO loyal, and there is misery to be found with the same story year after year after year. At some point I go Ok. Its hard. Its tough. Now what do we do about it. Maybe its this side of Freakville to say "Let's do the same thing again in September !" Ok.....Rivers is gone.....retired or what ever reason you like. Now what? You still have that crappy OL group, and now need a QB. Walking from Rivers seems unwise. You fix Rivers by fixing the OL...... Pundits are like a mob, once one gets another going, they all join in.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 28, 2019 7:59:49 GMT -7
Wanting Taylor to play over Rivers implies you think Taylor might be the answer.......just be an adult and stand up and say it, you want Taylor over Rivers.The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks. The answer to what ? The next franchise QB ? Maybe not. The answer to winning this week ? Maybe so. For the record, I don't have to be an adult. Ever. Riddle me this BatGoalie. We all acknowledge how incredible Bill Belichick is. What do you think he would do with Rivers last 2 games (or 5 games). Can you imagine that ? Holy hell already. If he didn't take a baseball bat to him, at a MINIMUM he would bench him. Maybe that's just what GOAT's do. I actually think BB would win with Rivers, but that is because he would be smart enough to game plan around Rivers/OL issues. So your premise is unfair to the clearly lower level HC the Bolts have in Lynn.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 28, 2019 8:04:57 GMT -7
Wanting Taylor to play over Rivers implies you think Taylor might be the answer.......just be an adult and stand up and say it, you want Taylor over Rivers. The OL is garbage......and their crappy play is definitely having an impact on Rivers' play, but you have never heard Rivers say that, so no he isn't using them as a crutch...... Rivers is having a less than stellar year, no doubt....... Fix the OL, Fix the offence.......really simple folks. Maybe in your world it does... "I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO" I've said that in the last few posts. Soooooo.... Yea if Taylor is the opposite of the shit show PR is, then yea start Taylor. If he "blows", then bench him and we suffer with old man PR till they draft a replacement.
It seems easier at this point to change 1 player (qb) instead of 2 or 3 (oline) this late in the season... If Taylor can play better behind that oline I'm all for it, if not then whatever...
Starting Taylor over Rivers would be insulting to Rivers, and most likely see him walk away at season end. I would not want to be painting myself into a corner...... Playing Taylor in the 4th, might go over better, but I still see it creating issues in the room that are not good to have. If the game is out of hand, then why not..... No GM is fixing this OL group this season....far too many needs. It will be an off season endeavor......
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 28, 2019 8:24:10 GMT -7
Starting Taylor over Rivers would be insulting to Rivers, and most likely see him walk away at season end. I would not want to be painting myself into a corner...... No GM is fixing this OL group this season....far too many needs. It will be an off season endeavor...... 100% agree on the underlined. If you bench Rivers, he will retire after this season to be a high school football coach. The OL has been a concern for years and the GM has failed to fix the problem. Lots of reasons why. TT needs to be an adult and own it. Either fix it or be shown the door. It baffles me to read posts about firing Lynn when he can only work with the players he has been given.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 28, 2019 8:51:48 GMT -7
Starting Taylor over Rivers would be insulting to Rivers, and most likely see him walk away at season end. I would not want to be painting myself into a corner...... No GM is fixing this OL group this season....far too many needs. It will be an off season endeavor...... 100% agree on the underlined. If you bench Rivers, he will retire after this season to be a high school football coach. The OL has been a concern for years and the GM has failed to fix the problem. Lots of reasons why. TT needs to be an adult and own it. Either fix it or be shown the door. It baffles me to read posts about firing Lynn when he can only work with the players he has been given. High School coach, or join a club that has the money and talent..... The Bolts (TT if you believe he is making the decisions alone) have made attempts each year to improve the OL, they just have not worked. That needs to change. It is to a point that the Bolts need an 'all in' approach to fixing it.....Draft, FA's, UDFA's......even a trade perhaps. If nothing else gets addressed but OL, and they end up with an OL that sees all starters in top 15 rating, they might be on the path to winning more than losing. Lynn is proving himself to be a mediocre HC.......same unfocused mistake filled group each week. I do not envision winning a Super Bowl with Lynn, so I would move on by releasing the entire staff at season end.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 28, 2019 9:35:30 GMT -7
Thats cool... Just keep holding on to that oline excuse, eventually this excuse will be replaced with another one till PR actually does retire. Maybe we'll keep losing enough for a decent draft slot.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 28, 2019 9:51:38 GMT -7
I think this too looks past the broader problems. It’s the OL, certainly. But it’s also Rivers — always tough, but almost always flustered in the playoffs and key games. And it’s also coaching. I'm not advocating either way at this point. I need more data. But I can tell you this: There is a lot of outside pundits saying Rivers is done, or at a minimum that we should move on. You can call it no Ring, whatever. But there is something to the " its the same story every year with the Chargers" that strikes a chord in me. I'm sure it does with you guys as well. We are SO loyal, and there is misery to be found with the same story year after year after year. At some point I go Ok. Its hard. Its tough. Now what do we do about it. Maybe its this side of Freakville to say "Let's do the same thing again in September !" My problem with that is it what exactly is that same story? It hasn't always been the PR story. It hasn't been PR losing, it been one part of the team or another. Go all the way back to Macree. You can flat out blame lousy drafts, lousy coaching, and lousy players for years 2008 to 2015. To me "the story" is every time the bolts have the talent to win, they get hit by injuries, and or mental mistakes. The mental mistakes take precedent IMO. Every team has injuries. Clock management, penalties at the wrong time, breakdowns in assignments, INT's, fumbles, and for good measure (cause most think this) wrong play selection or wrong D system. To be fair, the bolts injury bug seems a lot worse for some reason. More players and deeper down the roster.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 28, 2019 9:55:39 GMT -7
Thats cool... Just keep holding on to that oline excuse, eventually this excuse will be replaced with another one till PR actually does retire. Maybe we'll keep losing enough for a decent draft slot. I don't view it as an excuse per se, more as an analysis of what is the primary issue with the offence. Will improving the talent in the OL group solve all things wrong with the offence, not likely. As I have said previously: injuries, poor talent, bad coaching/game planning.......all three are contributing aspects.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 28, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -7
I'm not advocating either way at this point. I need more data. But I can tell you this: There is a lot of outside pundits saying Rivers is done, or at a minimum that we should move on. You can call it no Ring, whatever. But there is something to the " its the same story every year with the Chargers" that strikes a chord in me. I'm sure it does with you guys as well. We are SO loyal, and there is misery to be found with the same story year after year after year. At some point I go Ok. Its hard. Its tough. Now what do we do about it. Maybe its this side of Freakville to say "Let's do the same thing again in September !" My problem with that is it what exactly is that same story? It hasn't always been the PR story. It hasn't been PR losing, it been one part of the team or another. Go all the way back to Macree. You can flat out blame lousy drafts, lousy coaching, and lousy players for years 2008 to 2015. To me "the story" is every time the bolts have the talent to win, they get hit by injuries, and or mental mistakes. The mental mistakes take precedent IMO. Every team has injuries. Clock management, penalties at the wrong time, breakdowns in assignments, INT's, fumbles, and for good measure (cause most think this) wrong play selection or wrong D system.
To be fair, the bolts injury bug seems a lot worse for some reason. More players and deeper down the roster. Only one team holds the trophy at season end.......the rest have reasons they didn't. The bold above is the reason I let the staff go...... Poor preparation, bad game planning, horrible focus.....been a staple of the Lynn years.
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