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Post by frozendisc on Jan 6, 2021 18:43:48 GMT -7
Several college coaches have failed and several have succeeded... To use either argument in a blanket statement is shortsighted IMHO. Urban Meyer is alot different than Steve Spurrier or even Chip Kelly, he is a much better candidate than alot of other names being floated around. Meyer's big detraction is his health.......and it is a really big detraction. I posted earlier one of the questions I would love to ask Meyer (if I was interviewing him for the position) is: what happens to the club when your health takes you away from the game in week six? How he answers that would really impact my thoughts on his possible hiring.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 6, 2021 19:54:23 GMT -7
Several college coaches have failed and several have succeeded... To use either argument in a blanket statement is shortsighted IMHO. Urban Meyer is alot different than Steve Spurrier or even Chip Kelly, he is a much better candidate than alot of other names being floated around. To my knowledge Jimmy Johnson is the only college football coach with no prior NFL experience who has succeeded over the past 40 years. Pretty much every other successful college coach who has made a successful transition to the NFL (Bill Walsh, George Seifert, Bobby Ross, etc.) had multiple years as an NFL assistant in addition to their successful collegiate head coaching careers. Running a college football program is totally a different animal than running an NFL operation which is why in almost every situation it is imperative to have some background experience and familiarity with the NFL. |
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Post by moekid on Jan 6, 2021 21:49:37 GMT -7
Several college coaches have failed and several have succeeded... To use either argument in a blanket statement is shortsighted IMHO. Urban Meyer is alot different than Steve Spurrier or even Chip Kelly, he is a much better candidate than alot of other names being floated around. To my knowledge Jimmy Johnson is the only college football coach with no prior NFL experience who has succeeded over the past 40 years. Pretty much every other successful college coach who has made a successful transition to the NFL (Bill Walsh, George Seifert, Bobby Ross, etc.) had multiple years as an NFL assistant in addition to their successful collegiate head coaching careers. Running a college football program is totally a different animal than running an NFL operation which is why in almost every situation it is imperative to have some background experience and familiarity with the NFL. Don Coryell. |
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Post by cthommes on Jan 6, 2021 22:52:13 GMT -7
Several college coaches have failed and several have succeeded... To use either argument in a blanket statement is shortsighted IMHO. Urban Meyer is alot different than Steve Spurrier or even Chip Kelly, he is a much better candidate than alot of other names being floated around. Meyer's big detraction is his health.......and it is a really big detraction. I posted earlier one of the questions I would love to ask Meyer (if I was interviewing him for the position) is: what happens to the club when your health takes you away from the game in week six? How he answers that would really impact my thoughts on his possible hiring. I don't know what crazy leeway you guys in Canada get, but here in the Peoples Republic of California, asking such logical questions result in a guaranteed lost lawsuit with dire consequences. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 7, 2021 7:58:25 GMT -7
Meyer's big detraction is his health.......and it is a really big detraction. I posted earlier one of the questions I would love to ask Meyer (if I was interviewing him for the position) is: what happens to the club when your health takes you away from the game in week six? How he answers that would really impact my thoughts on his possible hiring. I don't know what crazy leeway you guys in Canada get, but here in the Peoples Republic of California, asking such logical questions result in a guaranteed lost lawsuit with dire consequences. I simply do not understand this response. Is there some nuanced law that forbids such type question? To me this question seems quite fair to ask.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 7, 2021 8:01:25 GMT -7
To my knowledge Jimmy Johnson is the only college football coach with no prior NFL experience who has succeeded over the past 40 years. Pretty much every other successful college coach who has made a successful transition to the NFL (Bill Walsh, George Seifert, Bobby Ross, etc.) had multiple years as an NFL assistant in addition to their successful collegiate head coaching careers. Running a college football program is totally a different animal than running an NFL operation which is why in almost every situation it is imperative to have some background experience and familiarity with the NFL. Don Coryell. yes. Times are clearly different now. College is mostly non pro style, the attitude of players is different, the expectations higher. I'm hesitant to bring in a college level coach.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 7, 2021 8:04:24 GMT -7
I don't know what crazy leeway you guys in Canada get, but here in the Peoples Republic of California, asking such logical questions result in a guaranteed lost lawsuit with dire consequences. I simply do not understand this response. Is there some nuanced law that forbids such type question? To me this question seems quite fair to ask. sarcasm. You do not understand, because it makes no sense. the same for those of us in Cal. The things California leaders are doing make no sense either. Note: "peoples republic of" AKA commie state
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 7, 2021 12:15:00 GMT -7
To my knowledge Jimmy Johnson is the only college football coach with no prior NFL experience who has succeeded over the past 40 years. Pretty much every other successful college coach who has made a successful transition to the NFL (Bill Walsh, George Seifert, Bobby Ross, etc.) had multiple years as an NFL assistant in addition to their successful collegiate head coaching careers. Running a college football program is totally a different animal than running an NFL operation which is why in almost every situation it is imperative to have some background experience and familiarity with the NFL. Don Coryell. Coryell was more than 40 years ago when the St. Louis Cardinals hired him. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 7, 2021 12:24:02 GMT -7
Coryell was more than 40 years ago when the St. Louis Cardinals hired him. I miss Don. Not only an offensive genius, the players just respected the living hell out of him. TT, Clone Coryell, and Pay the Clone !!!!!!!!
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 12:38:28 GMT -7
It is a crime that Coryell isn’t in the Hall of Fame.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 7, 2021 12:44:41 GMT -7
To my knowledge Jimmy Johnson is the only college football coach with no prior NFL experience who has succeeded over the past 40 years. Pretty much every other successful college coach who has made a successful transition to the NFL (Bill Walsh, George Seifert, Bobby Ross, etc.) had multiple years as an NFL assistant in addition to their successful collegiate head coaching careers. Running a college football program is totally a different animal than running an NFL operation which is why in almost every situation it is imperative to have some background experience and familiarity with the NFL. Don Coryell. Don was the reason I became a Chargers fan. He did well in his 1st NFL HC job in St Louis also. They are an exception, which is what we're looking for, but the odds are much worse.
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Post by moekid on Jan 7, 2021 15:40:21 GMT -7
Coryell was more than 40 years ago when the St. Louis Cardinals hired him. Succeeded over the past 40 years is what you said. Hate to nitpick. Raises a different question which is what do you think being an asst or staff member on an NFL team does that prepares one more than being an actual HC? College is much different in a more significant way which is the recruiting and management of the roster are not dependent on a GM but also allow a coach at a big national university to just have much better talent. Saban, is a better recruiter than coach. Coryell was obviously a great coach. Harbaugh was very successful in college as a HC before he got the 49er gig. Do you really think 2 years as a QB coach made him better prepared to coach in the NFL than his head coaching gigs at USD (no recruiting) and Stanford (tough academic standards)? I don’t. The argument for Urban is that he was Uber successful at schools that were either not football destinations (Utah) or were down in the dumps before he arrived (Fla and Oh St). |
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 15:45:54 GMT -7
Coryell was more than 40 years ago when the St. Louis Cardinals hired him. Harbaugh was very successful in college as a HC before he got the 49er gig. Do you really think 2 years as a QB coach made him better prepared to coach in the NFL than his head coaching gigs at USD (no recruiting) and Stanford (tough academic standards)? I don’t. The argument for Urban is that he was Uber successful at schools that were either not football destinations (Utah) or were down in the dumps before he arrived (Fla and Oh St). Having recently looked, my recollection of the records at UT, OH St., and FLA don’t suggest that. Both Ohio State and Florida were and are top programs. Only the quick turnaround at Utah strongly indicates that Urban caused it. Obviously that doesn’t take away the championships. But in college and his circumstances he had a lot more flexibility with recruiting and hiring. I don’t think he’s not a great HC, but I am not sure that causation necessarily follows from the record nor would his success translate. |
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 7, 2021 15:58:53 GMT -7
Coryell was more than 40 years ago when the St. Louis Cardinals hired him. Succeeded over the past 40 years is what you said. Hate to nitpick. Raises a different question which is what do you think being an asst or staff member on an NFL team does that prepares one more than being an actual HC? College is much different in a more significant way which is the recruiting and management of the roster are not dependent on a GM but also allow a coach at a big national university to just have much better talent. Saban, is a better recruiter than coach. Coryell was obviously a great coach. Harbaugh was very successful in college as a HC before he got the 49er gig. Do you really think 2 years as a QB coach made him better prepared to coach in the NFL than his head coaching gigs at USD (no recruiting) and Stanford (tough academic standards)? I don’t. The argument for Urban is that he was Uber successful at schools that were either not football destinations (Utah) or were down in the dumps before he arrived (Fla and Oh St). I specifically had Coryell in mind when I made the post since he got his first NFL job as the head coach of the St. Louis Cardinals almost 50 years ago (1973). I’m sure that there are more examples of college coaches with no NFL experience having success going back further than 40 years, but both college football and the NFL are far different animals than they were in the 1970’s and earlier. As for Harbaugh, the 14 seasons that he played as a QB in the NFL probably gave him a tiny bit of insight into NFL club operations and dealing with NFL player personalities in the locker room & team offices. Meyer has none of that. We will see how it rolls. |
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Post by moekid on Jan 7, 2021 16:39:22 GMT -7
Succeeded over the past 40 years is what you said. Hate to nitpick. Raises a different question which is what do you think being an asst or staff member on an NFL team does that prepares one more than being an actual HC? College is much different in a more significant way which is the recruiting and management of the roster are not dependent on a GM but also allow a coach at a big national university to just have much better talent. Saban, is a better recruiter than coach. Coryell was obviously a great coach. Harbaugh was very successful in college as a HC before he got the 49er gig. Do you really think 2 years as a QB coach made him better prepared to coach in the NFL than his head coaching gigs at USD (no recruiting) and Stanford (tough academic standards)? I don’t. The argument for Urban is that he was Uber successful at schools that were either not football destinations (Utah) or were down in the dumps before he arrived (Fla and Oh St). I specifically had Coryell in mind when I made the post since he got his first NFL job as the head coach of the St. Louis Cardinals almost 50 years ago (1973). I’m sure that there are more examples of college coaches with no NFL experience having success going back further than 40 years, but both college football and the NFL are far different animals than they were in the 1970’s and earlier. As for Harbaugh, the 14 seasons that he played as a QB in the NFL probably gave him a tiny bit of insight into NFL club operations and dealing with NFL player personalities in the locker room & team offices. Meyer has none of that. We will see how it rolls. It’s really a crap shoot and I just hope they pick the right guy. I don’t know if that’s Urban or Daboll or Saleh or Harbaugh but I do like guys who have won before as a HC because that is the only metric that has worked for the Chargers in the entire history of the franchise (before Spanos included). For some reason they just haven’t had success identifying coordinators who can take the next step. You’d think the law of averages would even it out over 60 years but it hasn’t. Sorta like TT and the OL |
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