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Post by afboltfan on Jan 7, 2021 17:04:04 GMT -7
I specifically had Coryell in mind when I made the post since he got his first NFL job as the head coach of the St. Louis Cardinals almost 50 years ago (1973). I’m sure that there are more examples of college coaches with no NFL experience having success going back further than 40 years, but both college football and the NFL are far different animals than they were in the 1970’s and earlier. As for Harbaugh, the 14 seasons that he played as a QB in the NFL probably gave him a tiny bit of insight into NFL club operations and dealing with NFL player personalities in the locker room & team offices. Meyer has none of that. We will see how it rolls. It’s really a crap shoot and I just hope they pick the right guy. I don’t know if that’s Urban or Daboll or Saleh or Harbaugh but I do like guys who have won before as a HC because that is the only metric that has worked for the Chargers in the entire history of the franchise (before Spanos included). For some reason they just haven’t had success identifying coordinators who can take the next step. You’d think the law of averages would even it out over 60 years but it hasn’t. Sorta like TT and the OL I see Urban Meyer as our next Bobby Ross... Just my opinion.
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Post by moekid on Jan 7, 2021 18:22:22 GMT -7
It’s really a crap shoot and I just hope they pick the right guy. I don’t know if that’s Urban or Daboll or Saleh or Harbaugh but I do like guys who have won before as a HC because that is the only metric that has worked for the Chargers in the entire history of the franchise (before Spanos included). For some reason they just haven’t had success identifying coordinators who can take the next step. You’d think the law of averages would even it out over 60 years but it hasn’t. Sorta like TT and the OL I see Urban Meyer as our next Bobby Ross... Just my opinion. I could live with that |
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 7, 2021 19:02:48 GMT -7
It’s really a crap shoot and I just hope they pick the right guy. I don’t know if that’s Urban or Daboll or Saleh or Harbaugh but I do like guys who have won before as a HC because that is the only metric that has worked for the Chargers in the entire history of the franchise (before Spanos included). For some reason they just haven’t had success identifying coordinators who can take the next step. You’d think the law of averages would even it out over 60 years but it hasn’t. Sorta like TT and the OL I see Urban Meyer as our next Bobby Ross... Just my opinion. Love Bobby Ross and it could happen, but Boss Ross had a major difference in job experience: Bobby Ross was an assistant coach for Marc Levy for four seasons in Kansas City (1978-1981) before heading back to Maryland & Georgia Tech as a head coach. Being an assistant coach for a HOFer NFL head coach is equivalent to obtaining a postgraduate NFL degree. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 3:17:29 GMT -7
Harbaugh was very successful in college as a HC before he got the 49er gig. Do you really think 2 years as a QB coach made him better prepared to coach in the NFL than his head coaching gigs at USD (no recruiting) and Stanford (tough academic standards)? I don’t. The argument for Urban is that he was Uber successful at schools that were either not football destinations (Utah) or were down in the dumps before he arrived (Fla and Oh St). Having recently looked, my recollection of the records at UT, OH St., and FLA don’t suggest that. Both Ohio State and Florida were and are top programs. Only the quick turnaround at Utah strongly indicates that Urban caused it. That simply is NOT true at all. After a year spent working at ESPN, Meyer took over at Ohio State. The Buckeyes had forced out Jim Tressel in May 2011 because impending NCAA sanctions were going to make it difficult to continue employing Tressel, and Meyer inherited a team that had gone 6–7 under interim coach Luke Fickell. Meyer promptly went 12–0 in 2012, but NCAA sanctions kept the Buckeyes from playing in either the Big Ten championship or a bowl game.
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Post by woodeye on Jan 8, 2021 3:39:25 GMT -7
I miss the sweater vest.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 6:31:09 GMT -7
Think of rockin' that in Powder Blue !
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 8, 2021 8:06:03 GMT -7
Having recently looked, my recollection of the records at UT, OH St., and FLA don’t suggest that. Both Ohio State and Florida were and are top programs. Only the quick turnaround at Utah strongly indicates that Urban caused it. That simply is NOT true at all. After a year spent working at ESPN, Meyer took over at Ohio State. The Buckeyes had forced out Jim Tressel in May 2011 because impending NCAA sanctions were going to make it difficult to continue employing Tressel, and Meyer inherited a team that had gone 6–7 under interim coach Luke Fickell. Meyer promptly went 12–0 in 2012, but NCAA sanctions kept the Buckeyes from playing in either the Big Ten championship or a bowl game. You’re living in the weeds. Even an anomalously bad team for Ohio State is still on net better than most because it’s Ohio State. They will always out-recruit a Sammy Small School and have better talent relatively speaking. You are not controlling for the success the *program*. Look back and tell me when Ohio State was last consistently *bad*: www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ohio-state/index.html |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 8:17:19 GMT -7
That simply is NOT true at all. After a year spent working at ESPN, Meyer took over at Ohio State. The Buckeyes had forced out Jim Tressel in May 2011 because impending NCAA sanctions were going to make it difficult to continue employing Tressel, and Meyer inherited a team that had gone 6–7 under interim coach Luke Fickell. Meyer promptly went 12–0 in 2012, but NCAA sanctions kept the Buckeyes from playing in either the Big Ten championship or a bowl game. You’re living in the weeds. Even an anomalously bad team for Ohio State is still on net better than most because it’s Ohio State. They will always out-recruit a Sammy Small School and have better talent relatively speaking. You are not controlling for the success the *program*. Look back and tell me when Ohio State was last consistently *bad*: www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ohio-state/index.htmlIts easier to just admit when you are disproved.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 8, 2021 8:18:36 GMT -7
You’re living in the weeds. Even an anomalously bad team for Ohio State is still on net better than most because it’s Ohio State. They will always out-recruit a Sammy Small School and have better talent relatively speaking. You are not controlling for the success the *program*. Look back and tell me when Ohio State was last consistently *bad*: www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ohio-state/index.htmlIts easier to just admit when you are disproved. Yes, I agree. I’ll wait for your admission. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 8:21:25 GMT -7
Its easier to just admit when you are disproved. Yes, I agree. I’ll wait for your admission. It was a mess when he got there. That is common knowledge in all of the football world. impending NCAA sanctions were going to make it difficult to continue employing Tressel, and Meyer inherited a team that had gone 6–7 under interim coach Luke Fickell. Meyer promptly went 12–0 in 2012
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 8, 2021 8:41:32 GMT -7
Yes, I agree. I’ll wait for your admission. It was a mess when he got there. That is common knowledge in all of the football world. impending NCAA sanctions were going to make it difficult to continue employing Tressel, and Meyer inherited a team that had gone 6–7 under interim coach Luke Fickell. Meyer promptly went 12–0 in 2012 The *program* was a mess? They have decades of success. Good players go to Ohio State. I'm not completely discrediting coaching, but you seem to be attributing all success to coaching. That is fallacious and doesn't allow you to have the most informed analysis. www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ohio-state/index.html
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 9:14:37 GMT -7
Mods, lightsout42 is arguing, harassing, and being a meanie to poster af and myself.
Recommend a 51 minute ban until he can see the errors of his ways.
Thank you,
Signed, the Good Guys Here
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 8, 2021 9:33:48 GMT -7
Mods, lightsout42 is arguing, harassing, and being a meanie to poster af and myself. Recommend a 51 minute ban until he can see the errors of his ways. Thank you, Signed, the Good Guys Here Seconded. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 8, 2021 9:46:55 GMT -7
Mods, lightsout42 is arguing, harassing, and being a meanie to poster af and myself. Recommend a 51 minute ban until he can see the errors of his ways. Thank you, Signed, the Good Guys Here If only you had studied just a bit more, you might have graduated from Mod school, and thereby not needing to beg.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 12:32:20 GMT -7
Mods, lightsout42 is arguing, harassing, and being a meanie to poster af and myself. Recommend a 51 minute ban until he can see the errors of his ways. Thank you, Signed, the Good Guys Here If only you had studied just a bit more, you might have graduated from Mod school, and thereby not needing to beg. 51 minutes for Up North would go a long way too Mods.
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