Rivers Talk

[NoMoreChillies]

more worried about late snaps, clapping hands and the like for defenses to key on

[chargerfreak]

Jul 24, 2019 18:10:20 GMT -7 NoMoreChillies said:

more worried about late snaps, clapping hands and the like for defenses to key on

Aw, no more clappy hands while I am having freakin' heart failure ?

[ChargingBolts]

May 12, 2019 20:05:24 GMT -7 frozendisc said:

May 12, 2019 19:42:41 GMT -7 joemcrugby said:

Gates is a shadow of the player he was at his peak. Would he play for the vet’s minimum at this stage? Maybe so, but based on his production in 2018, that would be warranted.

PR is coming off of one of his best seasons and will be supporting a household of 11, and will be supporting that in addition to the charitable foundations for many years after the NFL paychecks stop coming in.

Will he accept a below-market deal to give the team a better shot at the Lombardi? Yes, I have no doubt he will, but the idea that he should / will take a voluntary pay cut after his 2019 season would be unprecedented (including St. Thomas of San Mateo), and it shouldn’t be viewed as he doesn’t want to win bad enough to take a voluntary pay-cut unless one is Carnac the Magnificent and can guarantee a Super Bowl win if he takes the pay-cut. A marginally better chance isn’t enough of a reason to do so for a professional athlete with a limited career span.

Any player should do what they feel is the best for them. I have never had an issue with that. My point is that some players, after earning financial security, become far more interested in winning than money. Pure speculation on my part, but my guess is Brady is not in it for the money anymore, it is all about legacy now.

I used Gates merely as an example. I have no idea if he has managed his earnings well, or not. I do know he is at the end, and lacks that Championship......which I am certain he wants. I am certain he will join a very elite group of players that never managed to win the Championship.

Gates was our most clutch receiver the past month and a half of the season and playoffs, so if he is a shell of what he used to be and was our best receiver those weeks I'll take it and try not to remember how unstoppable he was when younger and not live in the past.  Sign the man!

[NoMoreChillies]

Jul 25, 2019 2:53:33 GMT -7 chargerfreak said:

Jul 24, 2019 18:10:20 GMT -7 NoMoreChillies said:

more worried about late snaps, clapping hands and the like for defenses to key on

Aw, no more clappy hands while I am having freakin' heart failure ?

aww mang, it hurts, you feel it too

[frozendisc]

Jul 25, 2019 3:28:47 GMT -7 ChargingBolts said:

May 12, 2019 20:05:24 GMT -7 frozendisc said:

Any player should do what they feel is the best for them. I have never had an issue with that. My point is that some players, after earning financial security, become far more interested in winning than money. Pure speculation on my part, but my guess is Brady is not in it for the money anymore, it is all about legacy now.

I used Gates merely as an example. I have no idea if he has managed his earnings well, or not. I do know he is at the end, and lacks that Championship......which I am certain he wants. I am certain he will join a very elite group of players that never managed to win the Championship.

Gates was our most clutch receiver the past month and a half of the season and playoffs, so if he is a shell of what he used to be and was our best receiver those weeks I'll take it and try not to remember how unstoppable he was when younger and not live in the past.  Sign the man!

Your claims about Gates and being the 'most clutch receiver' seem like a stretch........  Love Gates, but it is well past time to retire.

[Chargeroo]

Jul 25, 2019 6:40:32 GMT -7 frozendisc said:

Jul 25, 2019 3:28:47 GMT -7 ChargingBolts said:

Gates was our most clutch receiver the past month and a half of the season and playoffs, so if he is a shell of what he used to be and was our best receiver those weeks I'll take it and try not to remember how unstoppable he was when younger and not live in the past.  Sign the man!

Your claims about Gates and being the 'most clutch receiver' seem like a stretch........  Love Gates, but it is well past time to retire.

I agree with ChargingBolts, he made some big plays down the stretch last year. The question is - why not bring him to camp and let him compete?

If he can beat out the young guys, keep him ........... if not, give him a fond farewell filled with thanks.

[joemcrugby]

Jul 25, 2019 8:00:26 GMT -7 Chargeroo said:

Jul 25, 2019 6:40:32 GMT -7 frozendisc said:

Your claims about Gates and being the 'most clutch receiver' seem like a stretch........  Love Gates, but it is well past time to retire.

I agree with ChargingBolts, he made some big plays down the stretch last year. The question is - why not bring him to camp and let him compete?

If he can beat out the young guys, keep him ........... if not, give him a fond farewell filled with thanks.

I don't think that Gates has any desire to be at training camp at this very late stage of his career. I could see a possible after-training camp signing similar to 2018 or an in-season signing should the need arise.

[moekid]

Rivers looks good.

[joemcrugby]

Jul 25, 2019 12:37:46 GMT -7 moekid said:

Rivers looks good.

Looks fitter than heck (using PR vernacular).

[chargerfreak]

Jul 25, 2019 6:40:32 GMT -7 frozendisc said:

Jul 25, 2019 3:28:47 GMT -7 ChargingBolts said:

Gates was our most clutch receiver the past month and a half of the season and playoffs, so if he is a shell of what he used to be and was our best receiver those weeks I'll take it and try not to remember how unstoppable he was when younger and not live in the past.  Sign the man!

Your claims about Gates and being the 'most clutch receiver' seem like a stretch........  Love Gates, but it is well past time to retire.

You have been copying and pasting that for 4 years.

[xenos]

Rivers is ranked#6 overall, Tier 1 QB. Not bad for a late hand clapper. Honestly, I don't know how Brees is a 3 while Rivers is a 6.

theathletic.com/1082093/2019/07/22/2019-nfl-quarterback-tiers-rankings/

Fifty-five NFL coaches and executives contributed to the survey this year by placing all veteran starting quarterbacks into one of five tiers and then offering insights into their thinking.

Tier 1 is reserved for the best, while Tier 5 is so poor that no starters received a majority of votes in that tier this year.

Once ballots were in, I averaged the results to create a ranking. The Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers commanded 53 Tier 1 votes and two Tier 2 votes, creating a 1.04 average that narrowly landed him atop the rankings despite a tumultuous 2018 season, generating a rich, lively discussion among voters. By proceeding past this introduction, you’ll enjoy a front-row seat for some of the most candid discussions among those voters — not just for Rodgers, but for all quarterbacks.

The rankings are not gospel. No single voter agrees with the final results exactly. There are quarterbacks I’d move higher or lower if filling out my own ballot. This is a composite look at what the league thinks of its quarterbacks and why.

I’ve defined each tier based on input collected over the years during hundreds of discussions with coaches and evaluators. Tier definitions are spelled out below, atop each section. Generally speaking, the better the tier, the less help the quarterback needs from his defense and running game to succeed. Every quarterback resides within the tier for which he received the most votes.

Only non-rookie starters were included, on the thinking that mixing rookies with veterans would create an apples-to-oranges dynamic.

Tier 1 votes: 33 | Tier 2 votes: 22

The Chargers know Rivers, as the owner of a 208-game starting streak, will be in the lineup every week. Opposing defenses know Rivers will be in the same spot — right there in the pocket — on just about every pass play.

What has changed over the past two seasons is that Rivers, backed by an improved defense, has reduced the interceptions that dogged him in 2014 and 2016. Throwing 508 passes last season, Rivers’ lowest total since 2009, probably helped reduce chances for negative plays.

“Right when you have seen some age, it disappears,” a head coach said.

The knock on Rivers is he can’t create when plays break, but the way Rivers compensates makes him special, with one offensive coordinator calling Rivers’ field vision unbelievable.

“We play him this season, so I’ve been watching him, and he is just a conductor,” a defensive assistant said. “If you are a poor poker player and he has any sense of what you are in, he knows what to do, so it is all about disguise. You have to f— with him presnap or he will pick you apart.”

Some would like to see more from Rivers in the biggest games.

“Don’t get me wrong, I hate playing against the f—r, but I have him right there with Roethlisberger, just an inch below the top guys,” a defensive coordinator said. “(The Chargers) made the playoffs last year, but it’s almost like they are stuck right there.”

An evaluator used Rivers as a launching point to discuss the renaissance of the older Tier 1 QB, with so many 35-and-older starters producing at a high level. Improved conditioning and rule changes could be among the factors for the sustained success of Rivers, Brady, Brees and others. Rivers did seem to slow down late last season, but he was not alone.

“Of all the good QB play in 2018, my takeaway has been how, if I were starting a team right now, Rivers at 37 years old would be in the discussion if some of my other Tier 1 guys went before him,” this evaluator said.

2017 to 2018 tier change for Rivers:

5. Philip Rivers, Los Angeles Chargers

Change: +0.40 (1.80 to 1.40)

Tier change: 2 to 1

Rivers typically bounces between the top two tiers based on how frequently he throws interceptions. A lower pick rate has helped Rivers reestablish residency in the lower half of the top tier. While the Chargers’ strong defense has also played prominently in the team’s success, respect for Rivers’ ability to solve defenses, see the field and throw with anticipation gives him a foothold in Tier 1 as long as he protects the ball.

[chargerfreak]

Jul 25, 2019 14:10:12 GMT -7 xenos said:

Rivers is ranked#6 overall, Tier 1 QB. Not bad for a late hand clapper. Honestly, I don't know how Brees is a 3 while Rivers is a 6.

theathletic.com/1082093/2019/07/22/2019-nfl-quarterback-tiers-rankings/

Honestly you don't ? Cuz I do.

[joemcrugby]

http://instagram.com/p/B0ZuTTMn78z

[frozendisc]

Jul 25, 2019 13:43:52 GMT -7 chargerfreak said:

Jul 25, 2019 6:40:32 GMT -7 frozendisc said:

Your claims about Gates and being the 'most clutch receiver' seem like a stretch........  Love Gates, but it is well past time to retire.

You have been copying and pasting that for 4 years.

Four years sounds about right.........Gates would have been close to HOF if they had dumped him when I started.

[xenos]

Jul 26, 2019 10:33:48 GMT -7 chargerfreak said:

Jul 25, 2019 14:10:12 GMT -7 xenos said:

Rivers is ranked#6 overall, Tier 1 QB. Not bad for a late hand clapper. Honestly, I don't know how Brees is a 3 while Rivers is a 6.

theathletic.com/1082093/2019/07/22/2019-nfl-quarterback-tiers-rankings/

Honestly you don't ? Cuz I do.

The rankings are not based on performances 10 years ago. Here's what they had to say about Brees:

Brees commanded top-tier votes at a higher rate this year than last, but quite a few voters thought he belonged at the bottom of Tier 1. There was greater enthusiasm for Mahomes than for Brees among voters who placed both in the top tier, but Brees’ much longer track record gave him the benefit of the doubt with some.

“I like to think of the ones being so rare over the years — Peyton, Brady, Rodgers,” an offensive coordinator said. “Then you take a breath and you say it’s Brees, whoever else. Look, I’m president of the Drew Brees fan club, but last year, when the run game dried up a little, I felt he was not carrying them like he was before.”

Much of the praise for Brees comes with subtle qualifiers.

“Drew can carry his team in those pure passing situations,” a head coach said. “He is limited in certain throws he has to make on rhythm now, but I think you still have to give him a 1.”

A defensive coordinator called Brees a 1 for knowing what to do but a 2 from a physical standpoint.

“The system bails him out with the run game, the quick passing game and the play-action,” said this coordinator, who placed only Rodgers and Brady in his top tier. “I don’t think he can carry a team (without that). His quick decision-making makes him.”

The general feeling was that the case for Brees as a 1 was stronger than the case for Brees as a 2.

“I think Drew is a first-half-of-the-season 1, second-half-of-the-season 2,” an offensive coordinator said. “Watch how they play now. If they play a bad defense, they might throw for 500 yards (as it was against Cincinnati last season). They play a good defense, they are going to be conservative and try to win a close game, like against Baltimore last year.”

The Saints have become much better on defense and special teams over the past couple of seasons. They have a strong ground game. Brees will surely accept that support after spending several years propping up a team that was historically bad on defense in particular.

“They’ve got a lot around him, but he makes it all go,” a GM said. “When you say, ‘As a passer, can carry the team and do all that,’ he still does that.”