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Post by boltnut on Nov 11, 2019 22:23:23 GMT -7
Hypothetical OL rebuild...
1) Cut Okung and Pouncey. Save $18.25 mil in cap space.
2) Sign an OG and a RT in FA for less than the 18 mil you saved. Let's say OG Joe Thuney and RT Jack Conklin.
3) Draft an OT and a center in the draft. Let's say OT Alex Leatherwood and OC Creed Humphrey.
LT Leatherwood, LG Joe Thuney, OC Creed Humphrey, RG Scott Quessenberry, RT Jack Conklin. Let Lamp, Feeney, Groy, Tevi, Pipkins, and Scott fight for the 3 or 4 depth positions...
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 11, 2019 22:34:23 GMT -7
I agree one hundred percent to use money on productive/un-injured players. Why do you think it is the best option to drop Okung/Pouncy? What are the options? Okung and Pouncy are injury concerns at this point in their careers, and they are expensive......move on from them. Who do you move on to specifically you might be asking.......I don't know, perhaps someone that is actually available to play. That is a freaky question best left unasked. I am not trying to get personal. Both Okung and Pouncy are injured and expensive. When active together they are formidable and raise the level of play for the whole O-Line. Why is cutting them the best option? What are the options?
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Post by boltnut on Nov 11, 2019 22:55:11 GMT -7
How hard is this for you? Okung and Pouncy are injury concerns at this point in their careers, and they are expensive......move on from them. Who do you move on to specifically you might be asking.......I don't know, perhaps someone that is actually available to play. That is a freaky question best left unasked. I am not trying to get personal. Both Okung and Pouncy are injured and expensive. When active together they are formidable and raise the level of play for the whole O-Line. Why is cutting them the best option? What are the options? See above for one of the options. BTW... even if both Pouncey (30 years old) and Okung (31 years old) were retained next year, their contracts are up after the 2020 season and then you have to draft their replacements anyways.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 12, 2019 2:28:14 GMT -7
If we want any re-building done this free agency, there will have to be iron fist cuts to players that are, old, injury-prone, or costly. Okung (13.5), Pouncey (4.725), Mebane (4.25), Perryman (6.55), Thomas Davis (5.25), and Tyrod Taylor (5 mil) all fit those requirements. That would be $39,275,000 in savings. www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/cap/2020/Would the Chargers cut all of those core veterans...? Probably not. All of them would have to be replaced in FA or the draft. But that is almost $33 million in players salaries that were brought in as FA's in the first place. Only Perryman was drafted by Chargers. Okung and Pouncey together will raise the level of play of the supporting cast. They are also wily veterans who know when to raise and know when to fold. Give them support and the will respond. How much support can we give them ? Pouncey is in a neck support and Okung has gotten blood. I mean when our ACTUAL blood isn't good enough support,,,,,,WOW
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 12, 2019 2:37:39 GMT -7
Hypothetical OL rebuild... 1) Cut Okung and Pouncey. Save $18.25 mil in cap space. 2) Sign an OG and a RT in FA for less than the 18 mil you saved. Let's say OG Joe Thuney and RT Jack Conklin. 3) Draft an OT and a center in the draft. Let's say OT Alex Leatherwood and OC Creed Humphrey. LT Leatherwood, LG Joe Thuney, OC Creed Humphrey, RG Scott Quessenberry, RT Jack Conklin. Let Lamp, Feeney, Groy, Tevi, Pipkins, and Scott fight for the 3 or 4 depth positions... Because Pouncey isn't going anywhere with his new extension, he stays. You have posted crazy blown up FA releases, which is fine. But remember my Oline "blow up" is really very simple and easy to do.: Draft 2 OL early, sign 2 FA's. I JUST GOT YOU 4 NEW OLINEMEN EASILY. Do we even need cap space to do that ? We need the roster space. It doesn't even have to be Okung. Take 4 players off of that crap list you have up there and tack on Michael Schofield too. It should be baby easy to pick the worst 4 out of that group. We don't have to go crazy just to redo the Oline. I am handing you super easy.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 12, 2019 7:54:42 GMT -7
How hard is this for you? Okung and Pouncy are injury concerns at this point in their careers, and they are expensive......move on from them. Who do you move on to specifically you might be asking.......I don't know, perhaps someone that is actually available to play. That is a freaky question best left unasked. I am not trying to get personal. Both Okung and Pouncy are injured and expensive. When active together they are formidable and raise the level of play for the whole O-Line. Why is cutting them the best option? What are the options? It is not personal, it is frustrating. Okung and Pouncy are expensive, and have injury concerns. I am projecting them to be injured more than available in the future, so rather than pay them big dollars to not be available, I would release them. The options you keep asking? The options are every available player out there. You want specific names, well my friend it is way too early for that to be known, but you know that already.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 12, 2019 8:02:26 GMT -7
Hypothetical OL rebuild... 1) Cut Okung and Pouncey. Save $18.25 mil in cap space. 2) Sign an OG and a RT in FA for less than the 18 mil you saved. Let's say OG Joe Thuney and RT Jack Conklin. 3) Draft an OT and a center in the draft. Let's say OT Alex Leatherwood and OC Creed Humphrey. LT Leatherwood, LG Joe Thuney, OC Creed Humphrey, RG Scott Quessenberry, RT Jack Conklin. Let Lamp, Feeney, Groy, Tevi, Pipkins, and Scott fight for the 3 or 4 depth positions... Because Pouncey isn't going anywhere with his new extension, he stays. You have posted crazy blown up FA releases, which is fine. But remember my Oline "blow up" is really very simple and easy to do.: Draft 2 OL early, sign 2 FA's. I JUST GOT YOU 4 NEW OLINEMEN EASILY. Do we even need cap space to do that ? We need the roster space. It doesn't even have to be Okung. Take 4 players off of that crap list you have up there and tack on Michael Schofield too. It should be baby easy to pick the worst 4 out of that group. We don't have to go crazy just to redo the Oline. I am handing you super easy. What are you choosing to do if when your turn to pick in round 1 comes along, and the top rated player on your board is an ILB, and the highest rated OL player sits at #7 on your board? Getting new OL is not going to be difficult, getting the right ones is going to be tricky as it gets, and not in an area that the club has shown much acumen in.
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 12, 2019 9:15:42 GMT -7
That is a freaky question best left unasked. I am not trying to get personal. Both Okung and Pouncy are injured and expensive. When active together they are formidable and raise the level of play for the whole O-Line. Why is cutting them the best option? What are the options? It is not personal, it is frustrating. Okung and Pouncy are expensive, and have injury concerns. I am projecting them to be injured more than available in the future, so rather than pay them big dollars to not be available, I would release them. The options you keep asking? The options are every available player out there. You want specific names, well my friend it is way too early for that to be known, but you know that already. I agree that it is way too early to know that cutting Okung & Pouncy is the best option. It made me wonder why you would make such a silly statement. I would not cut them when the only replacement options are Tevi, Scott, Pipkins, or some no-named "every available player".
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 12, 2019 9:22:54 GMT -7
Okung and Pouncey together will raise the level of play of the supporting cast. They are also wily veterans who know when to raise and know when to fold. Give them support and the will respond. ? Pouncey is in a neck support and Okung has gotten blood. I mean when our ACTUAL blood isn't good enough support,,,,,,WOW This year, probably no support. Next year, hopefully a lot. Preferably from both free agency and the draft. The bolts need tackles and guards desperately. If I was Okung, I would call it a career. But I suspect he will try to be back in 2020.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 12, 2019 10:07:59 GMT -7
Because Pouncey isn't going anywhere with his new extension, he stays. You have posted crazy blown up FA releases, which is fine. But remember my Oline "blow up" is really very simple and easy to do.: Draft 2 OL early, sign 2 FA's. I JUST GOT YOU 4 NEW OLINEMEN EASILY. Do we even need cap space to do that ? We need the roster space. It doesn't even have to be Okung. Take 4 players off of that crap list you have up there and tack on Michael Schofield too. It should be baby easy to pick the worst 4 out of that group. We don't have to go crazy just to redo the Oline. I am handing you super easy. What are you choosing to do if when your turn to pick in round 1 comes along, and the top rated player on your board is an ILB, and the highest rated OL player sits at #7 on your board? Getting new OL is not going to be difficult, getting the right ones is going to be tricky as it gets, and not in an area that the club has shown much acumen in. We have a new big board. All it has is Tackles and Guards on it.
Hit the Easy Button
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 13, 2019 8:04:19 GMT -7
It is not personal, it is frustrating. Okung and Pouncy are expensive, and have injury concerns. I am projecting them to be injured more than available in the future, so rather than pay them big dollars to not be available, I would release them. The options you keep asking? The options are every available player out there. You want specific names, well my friend it is way too early for that to be known, but you know that already. I agree that it is way too early to know that cutting Okung & Pouncy is the best option. It made me wonder why you would make such a silly statement. I would not cut them when the only replacement options are Tevi, Scott, Pipkins, or some no-named "every available player". Nice try in your attempt to twist my comments into something that works for you. Give it time, your need for specific names will be fulfilled.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 13, 2019 8:05:31 GMT -7
What are you choosing to do if when your turn to pick in round 1 comes along, and the top rated player on your board is an ILB, and the highest rated OL player sits at #7 on your board? Getting new OL is not going to be difficult, getting the right ones is going to be tricky as it gets, and not in an area that the club has shown much acumen in. We have a new big board. All it has is Tackles and Guards on it.
Hit the Easy Button
Well that is certainly one way to address the OL rebuild.....7 picks, 7 OL players.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 13, 2019 8:07:39 GMT -7
We have a new big board. All it has is Tackles and Guards on it.
Hit the Easy Button
Well that is certainly one way to address the OL rebuild.....7 picks, 7 OL players. Imagine the pitch forks and fires that would ensue if that failed.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 13, 2019 8:09:45 GMT -7
Well that is certainly one way to address the OL rebuild.....7 picks, 7 OL players. Imagine the pitch forks and fires that would ensue if that failed. It can't get much worse than those out after losing to the Raiders......can it?
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 13, 2019 8:15:39 GMT -7
Imagine the pitch forks and fires that would ensue if that failed. It can't get much worse than those out after losing to the Raiders......can it? Loosing to the raiders is the Bain of any life long charger fans existence.
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