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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 9, 2019 3:24:29 GMT -7
I'm 99.9% sure that Pipkins gave up at least 1 sack... if not more. Clelin Ferrell had 2.5 sacks last night. I know he also got help from TE's and RB's last night. Am I cutting him slack...? Probably, he's as raw as they get. And if you cut every crappy/injured OT on the team... you have exactly 0 OT's on your roster. Pouncey and Okung are good... when they're on the field. But recently they haven't been on the field. They both have injury/health history. And if you're cutting salaries to create cap space... this is where you start. Cutting these two creates $18 million in space. That could but you an IOL and a RT in FA. Replace Okung/Pouncey through the draft.I was wondering about that. perryman, mebane, Gordon? mebane may not add a lot. But you need Ingram and Boss. Not sure about Quess, but he may play out. I wasn't sure about pipkins sacks. problem was PR was pressured from both sides and the center We need McRugby on the math. But my Proposition of 1st round, 2nd round, and 2 Free Agents can be paid for by the cuts on the line. Start with Blood Type O for Okung.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 9, 2019 8:08:25 GMT -7
The only reason I wlll THINK about keeping him around for sub scrum duties is that he is cheap.
We are up to Pouncey and Pipkins. Not bad. Put everybody else on a bus so I have roster and cap space.
That is all.
I'm 99.9% sure that Pipkins gave up at least 1 sack... if not more. Clelin Ferrell had 2.5 sacks last night. I know he also got help from TE's and RB's last night. Am I cutting him slack...? Probably, he's as raw as they get. And if you cut every crappy/injured OT on the team... you have exactly 0 OT's on your roster. Pouncey and Okung are good... when they're on the field. But recently they haven't been on the field. They both have injury/health history. And if you're cutting salaries to create cap space... this is where you start. Cutting these two creates $18 million in space. That could but you an IOL and a RT in FA. Replace Okung/Pouncey through the draft. TT needs to move into a pretty committed OL rebuild, and that means releasing guys. The cap dance is going to be very important, but just having cap space is no guarantee that any FA solution is obtainable. Everything should be considered......trade, FA's, and draft.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 9, 2019 8:14:02 GMT -7
I'm 99.9% sure that Pipkins gave up at least 1 sack... if not more. Clelin Ferrell had 2.5 sacks last night. I know he also got help from TE's and RB's last night. Am I cutting him slack...? Probably, he's as raw as they get. And if you cut every crappy/injured OT on the team... you have exactly 0 OT's on your roster. Pouncey and Okung are good... when they're on the field. But recently they haven't been on the field. They both have injury/health history. And if you're cutting salaries to create cap space... this is where you start. Cutting these two creates $18 million in space. That could but you an IOL and a RT in FA. Replace Okung/Pouncey through the draft.I was wondering about that. perryman, mebane, Gordon? mebane may not add a lot. But you need Ingram and Boss. Not sure about Quess, but he may play out. I wasn't sure about pipkins sacks. problem was PR was pressured from both sides and the center Moving on from the oft injured, and the old, needs to happen......across the entire roster. Pipkins giving up sacks should be the expected, especially when one considers the disaster the other four OL spots were, should it not?
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 9, 2019 8:34:38 GMT -7
I was wondering about that. perryman, mebane, Gordon? mebane may not add a lot. But you need Ingram and Boss. Not sure about Quess, but he may play out. I wasn't sure about pipkins sacks. problem was PR was pressured from both sides and the center Moving on from the oft injured, and the old, needs to happen......across the entire roster. Pipkins giving up sacks should be the expected, especially when one considers the disaster the other four OL spots were, should it not? Sort of my point in that I didn't notice him getting destroyed. I think he grows just fine. He has speed and raw talent, but needs to improve those skills and add muscle. Granted sammysmallschool may never pan out, but at least its fun hearing Freak freak.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 9, 2019 9:06:03 GMT -7
Moving on from the oft injured, and the old, needs to happen......across the entire roster. Pipkins giving up sacks should be the expected, especially when one considers the disaster the other four OL spots were, should it not? Sort of my point in that I didn't notice him getting destroyed. I think he grows just fine. He has speed and raw talent, but needs to improve those skills and add muscle. Granted sammysmallschool may never pan out, but at least its fun hearing Freak freak. Ah, understood......yea, my thought is Pipkins is still viable. He has all the traits needed, just keep developing him. Might become something worth the investment by year three....
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 10, 2019 4:12:35 GMT -7
Moving on from the oft injured, and the old, needs to happen......across the entire roster. Pipkins giving up sacks should be the expected, especially when one considers the disaster the other four OL spots were, should it not? Sort of my point in that I didn't notice him getting destroyed. I think he grows just fine. He has speed and raw talent, but needs to improve those skills and add muscle. Granted sammysmallschool may never pan out, but at least its fun hearing Freak freak. We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE".
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 10, 2019 8:22:09 GMT -7
Sort of my point in that I didn't notice him getting destroyed. I think he grows just fine. He has speed and raw talent, but needs to improve those skills and add muscle. Granted sammysmallschool may never pan out, but at least its fun hearing Freak freak. We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE". The cost, and injury concerns, should see the Bolts moving on from both Okung and Pouncy. The cap savings is not driving that decision......predominately.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 10, 2019 10:00:19 GMT -7
Sort of my point in that I didn't notice him getting destroyed. I think he grows just fine. He has speed and raw talent, but needs to improve those skills and add muscle. Granted sammysmallschool may never pan out, but at least its fun hearing Freak freak. We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE". Some how many plays does a player need to get beat on to determine he sucked? One? A percentage of plays? The number of sacks? Two or three plays more than Okung would have given up? Not even Okung was going to win them all. maybe we should compare him to all the other line positions and do an eval there? How about we compare him to PR? You solve nothing. Okung getting cut is probably not what is going to happen. He may walk away on his own.
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Post by boltnut on Nov 10, 2019 10:18:23 GMT -7
Sort of my point in that I didn't notice him getting destroyed. I think he grows just fine. He has speed and raw talent, but needs to improve those skills and add muscle. Granted sammysmallschool may never pan out, but at least its fun hearing Freak freak. We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE". In no way am I a believer in Pipkins. He was bad Thursday night. He might be a candidate for 4th OT for a year or 2. After that rookie contract is up... he's gone if he hasn't made strides toward becoming the #3 swing tackle. If he hasn't made strides by then, TT won't be around to protect his ass. If we had chosen Orlando Brown Jr. two drafts ago and Greg Little last draft, we wouldn't be having this discussion... Which brings me to Pouncey/Okung... If we aren't waiting around on a rookie to develop, why in the world are we waiting on old, declining, over-paid players to get healthy...? How many combined games have they missed this year? How many combined games have they missed the last 3-4 years? Time to move on. I hate paying/overpaying for OC's/OG's in FA... but we have no one dependable on the roster. Go get 2 IOL in FA (with the $18.25 mil you saved by cutting broken players). Then go into the draft and fix the OT positions. Until then, then Chargers are wasting their playmakers time (PR, Eke, KA, HH, MW...)... and ours...
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 10, 2019 10:41:08 GMT -7
We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE". Some how many plays does a player need to get beat on to determine he sucked? One? A percentage of plays? The number of sacks? Two or three plays more than Okung would have given up? Not even Okung was going to win them all. maybe we should compare him to all the other line positions and do an eval there? How about we compare him to PR? You solve nothing. Okung getting cut is probably not what is going to happen. He may walk away on his own. Lame attempts at comparing Pipkins to Okung are laughable. |
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Post by boltnut on Nov 10, 2019 10:59:31 GMT -7
We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE". Some how many plays does a player need to get beat on to determine he sucked? One? A percentage of plays? The number of sacks? Two or three plays more than Okung would have given up? Not even Okung was going to win them all. maybe we should compare him to all the other line positions and do an eval there? How about we compare him to PR? You solve nothing. Okung getting cut is probably not what is going to happen. He may walk away on his own. Okung won't walk away from $16 million at this juncture of his career. He'll have to be pushed out. I prefer to do comparison's a different way. 1). Compare the overall effectiveness of the offense when Okung is in/out. How about the GB game to the OAK game...? We are a much better team with Okung in vs. Pipkins/Scott in. 2). Compare Okung to any 1st round OT choice in the 2020 draft. IMO, there are 4 OT's that I think could hold their own immediately. Obviously, they would also be more cap friendly and allow us to invest FA money in the IOL positions. The problem we've been having with the OL in general over the years is that we're always weak at 2 or 3 positions. Teams expose another team's weakness... it's the way of the NFL. Get stronger at every OL position or we solve nothing. Right now we have playmakers on the offense, yet we are 20th in the NFL at scoring (20.7 pts/game). And the defense really isn't the problem (9th in the NFL)... even with DJ out.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 10, 2019 11:52:12 GMT -7
Some how many plays does a player need to get beat on to determine he sucked? One? A percentage of plays? The number of sacks? Two or three plays more than Okung would have given up? Not even Okung was going to win them all. maybe we should compare him to all the other line positions and do an eval there? How about we compare him to PR? You solve nothing. Okung getting cut is probably not what is going to happen. He may walk away on his own. Lame attempts at comparing Pipkins to Okung are laughable. dodging the question is worse
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 10, 2019 12:04:32 GMT -7
Some how many plays does a player need to get beat on to determine he sucked? One? A percentage of plays? The number of sacks? Two or three plays more than Okung would have given up? Not even Okung was going to win them all. maybe we should compare him to all the other line positions and do an eval there? How about we compare him to PR? You solve nothing. Okung getting cut is probably not what is going to happen. He may walk away on his own. Okung won't walk away from $16 million at this juncture of his career. He'll have to be pushed out. I prefer to do comparison's a different way. 1). Compare the overall effectiveness of the offense when Okung is in/out. How about the GB game to the OAK game...? We are a much better team with Okung in vs. Pipkins/Scott in. 2). Compare Okung to any 1st round OT choice in the 2020 draft. IMO, there are 4 OT's that I think could hold their own immediately. Obviously, they would also be more cap friendly and allow us to invest FA money in the IOL positions. The problem we've been having with the OL in general over the years is that we're always weak at 2 or 3 positions. Teams expose another team's weakness... it's the way of the NFL. Get stronger at every OL position or we solve nothing. Right now we have playmakers on the offense, yet we are 20th in the NFL at scoring (20.7 pts/game). And the defense really isn't the problem (9th in the NFL)... even with DJ out. I figure it would be health issues that would get him to walk away. $$$ sometimes is not worth it. Speculation on my part. I missed a lot with Pipkins it seems for this game. Really, the game sucked so the whole team sucked in my book. I like the comparison idea. My questions were for discussion. It gets me when a player has one bad play and immediately he is expendable. We should have some sort of bench mark. I get the OL was bad, but we had 3 back ups playing. All three in important positions LT, C, RT. One can argue we had back ups in the guard spots as well. That compounds the weaknesses. The Bolts are not going to win fans quickly by playing it slow. FA is a must to start building.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 10, 2019 13:35:17 GMT -7
We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE". Some how many plays does a player need to get beat on to determine he sucked? One? A percentage of plays? The number of sacks? Two or three plays more than Okung would have given up? Not even Okung was going to win them all. maybe we should compare him to all the other line positions and do an eval there? How about we compare him to PR? You solve nothing. Okung getting cut is probably not what is going to happen. He may walk away on his own. Freak is just being difficult. I agree Okung could easily retire, and would probably be smart to. I still think the Bolts will not have him on roster next season, for whatever reasons.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 10, 2019 13:41:18 GMT -7
We have a few problems here, but never fear I will solve them. The first one is that he sucked. One play he got beat so bad on the inside lane, he grabbed the defender by the chest and tackled him to the ground. Yellow flags were a flyin' boy, let me tell you. Next, we are higher than a kite if we think I would cut Okung in order to make cap space for an oline rebuild, but would hesitate on Sioux Falls College "NFL TACKLE". In no way am I a believer in Pipkins. He was bad Thursday night. He might be a candidate for 4th OT for a year or 2. After that rookie contract is up... he's gone if he hasn't made strides toward becoming the #3 swing tackle. If he hasn't made strides by then, TT won't be around to protect his ass. If we had chosen Orlando Brown Jr. two drafts ago and Greg Little last draft, we wouldn't be having this discussion... Which brings me to Pouncey/Okung... If we aren't waiting around on a rookie to develop, why in the world are we waiting on old, declining, over-paid players to get healthy...? How many combined games have they missed this year? How many combined games have they missed the last 3-4 years? Time to move on. I hate paying/overpaying for OC's/OG's in FA... but we have no one dependable on the roster. Go get 2 IOL in FA (with the $18.25 mil you saved by cutting broken players). Then go into the draft and fix the OT positions. Until then, then Chargers are wasting their playmakers time (PR, Eke, KA, HH, MW...)... and ours... I am not as down on Pipkins as you, but to be fair the kid has been thrown into situations he is far from ready to handle. He might develop out, might not, he is cheap.....so let it play out. The Bolts need a very serious effort to fix the OL issues, and moving on from oft injured players is a must. A successful OL rebuild, and the Bolt offence will be very good.
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