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Post by totallybolted on Jul 4, 2019 13:44:48 GMT -7
Sharing thoughts from an alternative universe... I went back and looked at predraft thoughts regarding offensive tackle. My conclusion is that none of offensive tackles we as fans wanted were as good of scheme fits as Trey Pipkins.Pipkins has the prerequisite athleticism to excel out in space, ala Sam Tevi. It is the reoccurrence of a common theme...we as fans love to second guess our decision makers when in reality we lack the depth of knowledge needed. Outside of a trade up, the moves have not been there for us. To illustrate what I am saying, in the 2019 Draft, the Chargers have said two offensive tackles interested them early, Jonah Williams and Andre Dillard...no one else. Greg Little: excellent at mirroring opponents, but the antithesis of a strike early, Pat Meyer offensive tackle. Jawaan Taylor: bad knee aside, he's an offensive guard in our scheme. Dalton Risner: carbon copy of Feeney, Lamp, lacking in offensive tackle athleticism for our system. Tyrus Howard: HOU took him too early, bad fit for us in terms of skillset, red flags. There's others. My guess is Okung will be fine. OKUNG-FEENEY-POUNCEY-LAMP-TEVI Patience...think of CBA slowing development of Olinemen due to practising rules...think of year 3 benefits of same Pat Meyer coaching...think of scarcity. I hope that turns out to be the case. Esp f Pip and go LT or RT.
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Post by xenos on Jul 4, 2019 15:57:04 GMT -7
An OL debate, that includes some transcript. I do wonder if we are a hybrid offense like Indy (one that utilizes quick striker but also like to go vertical ala Air Coryell).
"they get the ball out quickly, and yet they invested heavily in their offensive line. And I thought that was overkill. I didn't love the Quenton Nelson pick because I thought they needed more help on defense and Luck could compensate for a bad line." 1. I don't think he gets the ball out THAT fast. 2. Regardless, he was getting freaking killed back there. Oline was a must in Indy. Now, the line is young, and very talented. They look like a choreography out there. Great coaching. Agreed. He was getting killed.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 4, 2019 18:22:20 GMT -7
Sharing thoughts from an alternative universe... I went back and looked at predraft thoughts regarding offensive tackle. My conclusion is that none of offensive tackles we as fans wanted were as good of scheme fits as Trey Pipkins. Pipkins has the prerequisite athleticism to excel out in space, ala Sam Tevi. It is the reoccurrence of a common theme...we as fans love to second guess our decision makers when in reality we lack the depth of knowledge needed. Outside of a trade up, the moves have not been there for us. To illustrate what I am saying, in the 2019 Draft, the Chargers have said two offensive tackles interested them early, Jonah Williams and Andre Dillard...no one else. Greg Little: excellent at mirroring opponents, but the antithesis of a strike early, Pat Meyer offensive tackle. Jawaan Taylor: bad knee aside, he's an offensive guard in our scheme. Dalton Risner: carbon copy of Feeney, Lamp, lacking in offensive tackle athleticism for our system. Tyrus Howard: HOU took him too early, bad fit for us in terms of skillset, red flags. There's others. My guess is Okung will be fine. OKUNG-FEENEY-POUNCEY-LAMP-TEVI Patience...think of CBA slowing development of Olinemen due to practising rules...think of year 3 benefits of same Pat Meyer coaching...think of scarcity. Nice to see you post, Woody! Some good thoughts regarding development. We will all be watching intently. 🍺 |
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 4, 2019 20:00:08 GMT -7
Sharing thoughts from an alternative universe... I went back and looked at predraft thoughts regarding offensive tackle. My conclusion is that none of offensive tackles we as fans wanted were as good of scheme fits as Trey Pipkins. Pipkins has the prerequisite athleticism to excel out in space, ala Sam Tevi.It is the reoccurrence of a common theme...we as fans love to second guess our decision makers when in reality we lack the depth of knowledge needed. Outside of a trade up, the moves have not been there for us. To illustrate what I am saying, in the 2019 Draft, the Chargers have said two offensive tackles interested them early, Jonah Williams and Andre Dillard...no one else. Greg Little: excellent at mirroring opponents, but the antithesis of a strike early, Pat Meyer offensive tackle. Jawaan Taylor: bad knee aside, he's an offensive guard in our scheme. Dalton Risner: carbon copy of Feeney, Lamp, lacking in offensive tackle athleticism for our system. Tyrus Howard: HOU took him too early, bad fit for us in terms of skillset, red flags. There's others. My guess is Okung will be fine. OKUNG-FEENEY-POUNCEY-LAMP-TEVI Patience...think of CBA slowing development of Olinemen due to practising rules...think of year 3 benefits of same Pat Meyer coaching...think of scarcity. One can only hope Pipkins is far more athletic than Tevi......
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 4, 2019 20:57:13 GMT -7
Sharing thoughts from an alternative universe... I went back and looked at predraft thoughts regarding offensive tackle. My conclusion is that none of offensive tackles we as fans wanted were as good of scheme fits as Trey Pipkins. Pipkins has the prerequisite athleticism to excel out in space, ala Sam Tevi.It is the reoccurrence of a common theme...we as fans love to second guess our decision makers when in reality we lack the depth of knowledge needed. Outside of a trade up, the moves have not been there for us. To illustrate what I am saying, in the 2019 Draft, the Chargers have said two offensive tackles interested them early, Jonah Williams and Andre Dillard...no one else. Greg Little: excellent at mirroring opponents, but the antithesis of a strike early, Pat Meyer offensive tackle. Jawaan Taylor: bad knee aside, he's an offensive guard in our scheme. Dalton Risner: carbon copy of Feeney, Lamp, lacking in offensive tackle athleticism for our system. Tyrus Howard: HOU took him too early, bad fit for us in terms of skillset, red flags. There's others. My guess is Okung will be fine. OKUNG-FEENEY-POUNCEY-LAMP-TEVI Patience...think of CBA slowing development of Olinemen due to practising rules...think of year 3 benefits of same Pat Meyer coaching...think of scarcity. One can only hope Pipkins is far more athletic than Tevi...... Tevi has pretty good athleticism in space with his run blocking; it’s dealing with the pass rush out wide is where he struggles. Pipkins does need better athleticism with his passblocking due to the Chargers’ long-term hope that he will be a left tackle. |
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Post by headtrip on Jul 4, 2019 22:37:48 GMT -7
Lamp being decent and just marginal improvement from Feeney and Tevi would make the Chargers the most complete team in the NFL. In my ever so humble opinion.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 5, 2019 3:18:42 GMT -7
Sharing thoughts from an alternative universe... I went back and looked at predraft thoughts regarding offensive tackle. My conclusion is that none of offensive tackles we as fans wanted were as good of scheme fits as Trey Pipkins. Pipkins has the prerequisite athleticism to excel out in space, ala Sam Tevi. It is the reoccurrence of a common theme...we as fans love to second guess our decision makers when in reality we lack the depth of knowledge needed. Outside of a trade up, the moves have not been there for us. To illustrate what I am saying, in the 2019 Draft, the Chargers have said two offensive tackles interested them early, Jonah Williams and Andre Dillard...no one else. Greg Little: excellent at mirroring opponents, but the antithesis of a strike early, Pat Meyer offensive tackle. Jawaan Taylor: bad knee aside, he's an offensive guard in our scheme. Dalton Risner: carbon copy of Feeney, Lamp, lacking in offensive tackle athleticism for our system. Tyrus Howard: HOU took him too early, bad fit for us in terms of skillset, red flags. There's others. My guess is Okung will be fine. OKUNG-FEENEY-POUNCEY-LAMP-TEVI Patience...think of CBA slowing development of Olinemen due to practising rules...think of year 3 benefits of same Pat Meyer coaching...think of scarcity. Did I accidentally log in to the Powder Blues Forum ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 5, 2019 3:20:59 GMT -7
Lamp being decent and just marginal improvement from Feeney and Tevi would make the Chargers the most complete team in the NFL. In my ever so humble opinion. I think we are there now, and my opinions are far from humble.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 5, 2019 3:27:00 GMT -7
Sharing thoughts from an alternative universe... I went back and looked at predraft thoughts regarding offensive tackle. My conclusion is that none of offensive tackles we as fans wanted were as good of scheme fits as Trey Pipkins. Pipkins has the prerequisite athleticism to excel out in space, ala Sam Tevi.It is the reoccurrence of a common theme...we as fans love to second guess our decision makers when in reality we lack the depth of knowledge needed. Outside of a trade up, the moves have not been there for us. To illustrate what I am saying, in the 2019 Draft, the Chargers have said two offensive tackles interested them early, Jonah Williams and Andre Dillard...no one else. Greg Little: excellent at mirroring opponents, but the antithesis of a strike early, Pat Meyer offensive tackle. Jawaan Taylor: bad knee aside, he's an offensive guard in our scheme. Dalton Risner: carbon copy of Feeney, Lamp, lacking in offensive tackle athleticism for our system. Tyrus Howard: HOU took him too early, bad fit for us in terms of skillset, red flags. There's others. My guess is Okung will be fine. OKUNG-FEENEY-POUNCEY-LAMP-TEVI Patience...think of CBA slowing development of Olinemen due to practising rules...think of year 3 benefits of same Pat Meyer coaching...think of scarcity. One can only hope Pipkins is far more athletic than Tevi...... One post seriously ? woodeye has one post and you already want to start your crap ? Does your attempts at destructing him never end ? Ever ?
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 5, 2019 7:11:10 GMT -7
One can only hope Pipkins is far more athletic than Tevi...... One post seriously ? woodeye has one post and you already want to start your crap ? Does your attempts at destructing him never end ? Ever ? How so? I am of the belief that Tevi is not going to ever be the solution at any OT position, be it LOT or ROT. Tevi simply is not athletic enough to protect Rivers. So with the drafting of Pipkins, and the stated plan for him to become a LOT, one must hope he is more athletic than Tevi. The fact that WoodEye made the post is of no relevance, as my reply would have been the same regardless of who had posted. My post was pretty benign........
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 5, 2019 7:13:24 GMT -7
One can only hope Pipkins is far more athletic than Tevi...... Tevi has pretty good athleticism in space with his run blocking; it’s dealing with the pass rush out wide is where he struggles. Pipkins does need better athleticism with his passblocking due to the Chargers’ long-term hope that he will be a left tackle. It is the pass blocking, or poor pass blocking, that is going to get Rivers killed.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 5, 2019 7:41:57 GMT -7
One post seriously ? woodeye has one post and you already want to start your crap ? Does your attempts at destructing him never end ? Ever ? How so? I am of the belief that Tevi is not going to ever be the solution at any OT position, be it LOT or ROT. Tevi simply is not athletic enough to protect Rivers. So with the drafting of Pipkins, and the stated plan for him to become a LOT, one must hope he is more athletic than Tevi. The fact that WoodEye made the post is of no relevance, as my reply would have been the same regardless of who had posted. My post was pretty benign........ I believe that Freak's point is that out of the long post of that brought up several pretty good points and observations, that's what you focus on and is the only comment that you could make (a critical point questioning Woody's judgment)? What did you think about all of the other observations that Woody brought up?
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 5, 2019 16:59:17 GMT -7
How so? I am of the belief that Tevi is not going to ever be the solution at any OT position, be it LOT or ROT. Tevi simply is not athletic enough to protect Rivers. So with the drafting of Pipkins, and the stated plan for him to become a LOT, one must hope he is more athletic than Tevi. The fact that WoodEye made the post is of no relevance, as my reply would have been the same regardless of who had posted. My post was pretty benign........ I believe that Freak's point is that out of the long post of that brought up several pretty good points and observations, that's what you focus on and is the only comment that you could make (a critical point questioning Woody's judgment)? What did you think about all of the other observations that Woody brought up? I am pretty well known for my critical view of the OL, and have been warning OT is going to be a huge problem if TT keeps rolling the dice on Okung. My comment about Pipkins, "One can only hope Pipkins is far more athletic than Tevi......" isn't critical of woodeye's judgement in any way at all. It is more a reflection of how little we (the fans) know about Pipkins. We do know just how bad Tevi is, and with the stated expectation for Pipkins being LOT, one can only hope Pipkins is more talented in all aspects. I stand by my belief that my one sentence comment was benign as it gets. The narrative being pushed by Freak is a false one, it is as simple as that. You are crazy if you think I am commenting on anything else in his post. This is supposed to be relatively fun, not a headache in the making. I can just read the posts, and keep my thoughts to myself.
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Post by sonorajim on Jul 5, 2019 17:48:20 GMT -7
Don't go silent Puck!  We don't always agree but I enjoy discussing your takes, pro or con. |
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Post by moekid on Jul 5, 2019 19:30:30 GMT -7
How so? I am of the belief that Tevi is not going to ever be the solution at any OT position, be it LOT or ROT. Tevi simply is not athletic enough to protect Rivers. So with the drafting of Pipkins, and the stated plan for him to become a LOT, one must hope he is more athletic than Tevi. The fact that WoodEye made the post is of no relevance, as my reply would have been the same regardless of who had posted. My post was pretty benign........ I believe that Freak's point is that out of the long post of that brought up several pretty good points and observations, that's what you focus on and is the only comment that you could make (a critical point questioning Woody's judgment)? What did you think about all of the other observations that Woody brought up? Does anyone care what frozendisc “thinks”? Edit: I guess sonorajim does |
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We don't always agree but I enjoy discussing your takes, pro or con.