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Post by frozendisc on Sept 18, 2021 7:06:39 GMT -7
God, your hate for Pipkins is crazy..... Pipkins is the reserve LOT......doubtful he gets cut, or on the field. His crazy hate comes from Pipkins sucking. But does he..... Not great obviously, but a decent reserve player certainly.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 18, 2021 7:08:12 GMT -7
First off, Pipkins is not seeing the field because of Slater.......but, in the event that there is a need, I am not as afraid as you about Pipkins playing. As a reserve player, there are clearly shortcomings, but the staff is well aware of these deficiencies and will plan accordingly. Stop taking things/words so literally....Hate for example. Clearly your eye tells you Pipkins should be on the street, and certainly not on a NFL club. Just as clearly, the people that actually get paid to evaluate player talent do not agree with your evaluation of Pipkins. Your comments about TT and the Pipkins pick just further my belief you are letting a bias influence your evaluations, be it TT's drafting or Pipkins' playing. Pipkins was a 3rd rd pick, been around a few seasons, probably never being more than a reserve player. Boy, that outcome is super rare for 3rd rd picks.....tabernak. Forget his suck past. THIS preseason Pipkins was horrible. If anyone has bias it’s you. Pipkins blows. I have no bias about Pipkins. I acknowledge his shortcomings, but also acknowledge he is a reserve player....so shortcomings are expected.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 18, 2021 7:30:12 GMT -7
if you think it's doubtful he’ll see the field, aren’t you kind of making my case for me? Completely crazy here but what’s the point of having a reserve on the roster that no one wants to see on the field? This coming Sunday I’ll light some candles for him at church and pray for a miracle. Maybe he’ll magically develop into a starting caliber NFL tackle, there’s always next year, right?  BTW, I don’t hate, hate’s not my thing. Pipkins is obviously a wonderful young kid that represents what the organization wants in a player as a person. Unfortunately something is missing, whatever that is, I hope he finds it and proves that TT didn’t waste a 3rd round pick on a kid he probably could’ve drafted in round 7 or signed in UDRFA. .......but, in the event that there is a need, I am not as afraid as you about Pipkins playing. As a reserve player, there are clearly shortcomings, but the staff is well aware of these deficiencies and will plan accordingly. Stop taking things/words so literally....Hate for example. Clearly your eye tells you Pipkins should be on the street, and certainly not on a NFL club. Just as clearly, the people that actually get paid to evaluate player talent do not agree with your evaluation of Pipkins. Your comments about TT and the Pipkins pick just further my belief you are letting a bias influence your evaluations, be it TT's drafting or Pipkins' playing. Pipkins was a 3rd rd pick, been around a few seasons, probably never being more than a reserve player. Boy, that outcome is super rare for 3rd rd picks.....tabernak. No, pipkins won’t see the field because staley wants to keep the golden goose outta the hospital. This coaching staff has had to come up with contingencies just to make sure that he never plays blind side for herbert. TT I like as a GM, but he’s not perfect, on this pipkins thing I really dislike that he allowed his pride to get in the way by forcing this staff to carry a handicap going into the season. Right now TT’s number one priority should be protecting justin herbert, period. Pipkins has improved his run blocking so hopefully there is light at the end of that tunnel and maybe under smith he’ll become a respectable depth piece sometime in the future. Right now he’s not even a respectable depth piece, but who knows maybe some slater will rub off on the kid? And just because I question some of the things TT has done does not mean I want TT fired, you kiddin’? He’s done well in the draft and he hired staley that makes him a keeper IMO. But this whole ‘pride of picks’ nonsense needs to go away if he’s going to reach the next level of his development as a GM. I say that because I don’t think we’ve seen the best of TT yet.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 18, 2021 8:23:25 GMT -7
First off, Pipkins is not seeing the field because of Slater.......but, in the event that there is a need, I am not as afraid as you about Pipkins playing. As a reserve player, there are clearly shortcomings, but the staff is well aware of these deficiencies and will plan accordingly. Stop taking things/words so literally....Hate for example. Clearly your eye tells you Pipkins should be on the street, and certainly not on a NFL club. Just as clearly, the people that actually get paid to evaluate player talent do not agree with your evaluation of Pipkins. Your comments about TT and the Pipkins pick just further my belief you are letting a bias influence your evaluations, be it TT's drafting or Pipkins' playing. Pipkins was a 3rd rd pick, been around a few seasons, probably never being more than a reserve player. Boy, that outcome is super rare for 3rd rd picks.....tabernak. No, pipkins won’t see the field because staley wants to keep the golden goose outta the hospital. This coaching staff has had to come up with contingencies just to make sure that he never plays blind side for herbert. TT I like as a GM, but he’s not perfect, on this pipkins thing I really dislike that he allowed his pride to get in the way by forcing this staff to carry a handicap going into the season. Right now TT’s number one priority should be protecting justin herbert, period. Pipkins has improved his run blocking so hopefully there is light at the end of that tunnel and maybe under smith he’ll become a respectable depth piece sometime in the future. Right now he’s not even a respectable depth piece, but who knows maybe some slater will rub off on the kid? And just because I question some of the things TT has done does not mean I want TT fired, you kiddin’? He’s done well in the draft and he hired staley that makes him a keeper IMO. But this whole ‘pride of picks’ nonsense needs to go away if he’s going to reach the next level of his development as a GM. I say that because I don’t think we’ve seen the best of TT yet. Pipkins is the reserve LOT......if Slater cannot play, Pipkins is in. Pretty certain LOT protects Herbert's 'blind' side. You love to make statements that sound like fact, but are clearly supposition on your part. Where exactly do you come up with "forcing this staff" to retain certain players? Roster building is certainly a collaboration between Coaching staff and Admin, but I think it has been clearly stated Staley determines his rostered players. TT is the GM, and as such has a very full plate, but my guess is it is Staley's job to design a system that protects Herbert, not TT's. Nobody has mentioned 'firing' TT.......another where do you come up with this stuff. Your knowledge of developing GM's is obvious, maybe you should be President of Football Operations for a club!
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Post by totallybolted on Sept 18, 2021 8:28:42 GMT -7
First off, Pipkins is not seeing the field because of Slater.......but, in the event that there is a need, I am not as afraid as you about Pipkins playing. As a reserve player, there are clearly shortcomings, but the staff is well aware of these deficiencies and will plan accordingly. Stop taking things/words so literally....Hate for example. Clearly your eye tells you Pipkins should be on the street, and certainly not on a NFL club. Just as clearly, the people that actually get paid to evaluate player talent do not agree with your evaluation of Pipkins. Your comments about TT and the Pipkins pick just further my belief you are letting a bias influence your evaluations, be it TT's drafting or Pipkins' playing. Pipkins was a 3rd rd pick, been around a few seasons, probably never being more than a reserve player. Boy, that outcome is super rare for 3rd rd picks.....tabernak. No, pipkins won’t see the field because staley wants to keep the golden goose outta the hospital. This coaching staff has had to come up with contingencies just to make sure that he never plays blind side for herbert. TT I like as a GM, but he’s not perfect, on this pipkins thing I really dislike that he allowed his pride to get in the way by forcing this staff to carry a handicap going into the season. Right now TT’s number one priority should be protecting justin herbert, period. Pipkins has improved his run blocking so hopefully there is light at the end of that tunnel and maybe under smith he’ll become a respectable depth piece sometime in the future. Right now he’s not even a respectable depth piece, but who knows maybe some slater will rub off on the kid? And just because I question some of the things TT has done does not mean I want TT fired, you kiddin’? He’s done well in the draft and he hired staley that makes him a keeper IMO. But this whole ‘pride of picks’ nonsense needs to go away if he’s going to reach the next level of his development as a GM. I say that because I don’t think we’ve seen the best of TT yet. But if we HAVE?  Scary thought.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 18, 2021 8:47:19 GMT -7
No, pipkins won’t see the field because staley wants to keep the golden goose outta the hospital. This coaching staff has had to come up with contingencies just to make sure that he never plays blind side for herbert. TT I like as a GM, but he’s not perfect, on this pipkins thing I really dislike that he allowed his pride to get in the way by forcing this staff to carry a handicap going into the season. Right now TT’s number one priority should be protecting justin herbert, period. Pipkins has improved his run blocking so hopefully there is light at the end of that tunnel and maybe under smith he’ll become a respectable depth piece sometime in the future. Right now he’s not even a respectable depth piece, but who knows maybe some slater will rub off on the kid? And just because I question some of the things TT has done does not mean I want TT fired, you kiddin’? He’s done well in the draft and he hired staley that makes him a keeper IMO. But this whole ‘pride of picks’ nonsense needs to go away if he’s going to reach the next level of his development as a GM. I say that because I don’t think we’ve seen the best of TT yet.But if we HAVE?  Scary thought. Well it certainly would not be ideal, but it also is not insurmountable. The coaching staff is vastly improved, my belief is they would find successful adjustments. Now if it was the Super Bowl, and the opposing club is every bit as talented as the Chargers, my belief might get a bit thin, eh?
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Post by sonorajim on Sept 18, 2021 9:51:02 GMT -7
First off, Pipkins is not seeing the field because of Slater.......but, in the event that there is a need, I am not as afraid as you about Pipkins playing. As a reserve player, there are clearly shortcomings, but the staff is well aware of these deficiencies and will plan accordingly. Stop taking things/words so literally....Hate for example. Clearly your eye tells you Pipkins should be on the street, and certainly not on a NFL club. Just as clearly, the people that actually get paid to evaluate player talent do not agree with your evaluation of Pipkins. Your comments about TT and the Pipkins pick just further my belief you are letting a bias influence your evaluations, be it TT's drafting or Pipkins' playing. Pipkins was a 3rd rd pick, been around a few seasons, probably never being more than a reserve player. Boy, that outcome is super rare for 3rd rd picks.....tabernak. Forget his suck past. THIS preseason Pipkins was horrible. If anyone has bias it’s you. Pipkins blows. Puck is reasonable.
Pippy did seem more unprepared than ever this preseason. It was NOT a good look for him. His NFL future is an unlikely one.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 18, 2021 12:56:58 GMT -7
No, pipkins won’t see the field because staley wants to keep the golden goose outta the hospital. This coaching staff has had to come up with contingencies just to make sure that he never plays blind side for herbert. TT I like as a GM, but he’s not perfect, on this pipkins thing I really dislike that he allowed his pride to get in the way by forcing this staff to carry a handicap going into the season. Right now TT’s number one priority should be protecting justin herbert, period. Pipkins has improved his run blocking so hopefully there is light at the end of that tunnel and maybe under smith he’ll become a respectable depth piece sometime in the future. Right now he’s not even a respectable depth piece, but who knows maybe some slater will rub off on the kid? And just because I question some of the things TT has done does not mean I want TT fired, you kiddin’? He’s done well in the draft and he hired staley that makes him a keeper IMO. But this whole ‘pride of picks’ nonsense needs to go away if he’s going to reach the next level of his development as a GM. I say that because I don’t think we’ve seen the best of TT yet. Pipkins is the reserve LOT......if Slater cannot play, Pipkins is in. Pretty certain LOT protects Herbert's 'blind' side. You love to make statements that sound like fact, but are clearly supposition on your part. Where exactly do you come up with " forcing this staff" to retain certain players? Roster building is certainly a collaboration between Coaching staff and Admin, but I think it has been clearly stated Staley determines his rostered players. TT is the GM, and as such has a very full plate, but my guess is it is Staley's job to design a system that protects Herbert, not TT's. Nobody has mentioned 'firing' TT.......another where do you come up with this stuff. Your knowledge of developing GM's is obvious, maybe you should be President of Football Operations for a club! Do you watch all the press confrences? Staley comes out and with a pause says pipkins is a “developing player that will need a lot of time” and then telesco comes out and says he remains bullish on pipkins, then after the seahawk preseason game it was obvious that staley was unhappy with both pipkins and norton, he said something like “we know exactly who these guys are based on their performances” not exactly a resounding endorsement from a the head coach. Did, telesco go out and find him someone since any of that happened? No Not until this week when it was clear your down to 8 linemen and the only backup at tackle is going to be pipkins. I don’t have to be in the meeting room with these guys to come to the conclusion that while they might be collaborating in public, they may have something brewing behind closed doors. I’ve seen this movie play out before with beathard/ross and AJ/schottenhiemer and I don’t want to see that happen again. Pipkins is as clear a bust as you can find and it’s an insult to all the guys on the roster that busted their humps to ‘earn’ a spot let alone to all the other guys that got cut while outperforming someone like pipkins. But it’s also an insult to staley and his staff because these guys aren’t just collecting checks they want to make their mark and win. TT needs to compromise on the fact that pipkins was just a bad pick, and so what? He’s also the same guy that drafted bosa, allen, herbert, and slater etc. No one bats a thousand on the NFL draft, NO ONE. So pride should not come into the equation, you got a lemon? Get rid of it and move on with your business. So if it’s not Tom’s pride then what is it? Is he deluded enough to think someone else will snatch pipkins off waivers and turn him into orlando pace?!
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Post by moekid on Sept 18, 2021 13:24:31 GMT -7
Pipkins is the reserve LOT......if Slater cannot play, Pipkins is in. Pretty certain LOT protects Herbert's 'blind' side. You love to make statements that sound like fact, but are clearly supposition on your part. Where exactly do you come up with " forcing this staff" to retain certain players? Roster building is certainly a collaboration between Coaching staff and Admin, but I think it has been clearly stated Staley determines his rostered players. TT is the GM, and as such has a very full plate, but my guess is it is Staley's job to design a system that protects Herbert, not TT's. Nobody has mentioned 'firing' TT.......another where do you come up with this stuff. Your knowledge of developing GM's is obvious, maybe you should be President of Football Operations for a club! Do you watch all the press confrences? Staley comes out and with a pause says pipkins is a “developing player that will need a lot of time” and then telesco comes out and says he remains bullish on pipkins, then after the seahawk preseason game it was obvious that staley was unhappy with both pipkins and norton, he said something like “we know exactly who these guys are based on their performances” not exactly a resounding endorsement from a the head coach. Did, telesco go out and find him someone since any of that happened? No Not until this week when it was clear your down to 8 linemen and the only backup at tackle is going to be pipkins. I don’t have to be in the meeting room with these guys to come to the conclusion that while they might be collaborating in public, they may have something brewing behind closed doors. I’ve seen this movie play out before with beathard/ross and AJ/schottenhiemer and I don’t want to see that happen again. Pipkins is as clear a bust as you can find and it’s an insult to all the guys on the roster that busted their humps to ‘earn’ a spot let alone to all the other guys that got cut while outperforming someone like pipkins. But it’s also an insult to staley and his staff because these guys aren’t just collecting checks they want to make their mark and win. TT needs to compromise on the fact that pipkins was just a bad pick, and so what? He’s also the same guy that drafted bosa, allen, herbert, and slater etc. No one bats a thousand on the NFL draft, NO ONE. So pride should not come into the equation, you got a lemon? Get rid of it and move on with your business. So if it’s not Tom’s pride then what is it? Is he deluded enough to think someone else will snatch pipkins off waivers and turn him into orlando pace?! Would never happen. TT doesn’t have nearly the ego, arrogance or demeanor of AJ or Beathard. I have no doubt that if Staley wanted to cut Pipkins he would. Norton sucked in the pre season was pretty solid when he was out there with the 1’s last week |
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Post by sdc on Sept 18, 2021 13:43:51 GMT -7
God, your hate for Pipkins is crazy..... Pipkins is the reserve LOT......doubtful he gets cut, or on the field. His crazy hate comes from Pipkins sucking. You suck too, but I don’t see anyone obsessing about you.
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Post by cthommes on Sept 18, 2021 14:24:34 GMT -7
His crazy hate comes from Pipkins sucking. You suck too, but I don’t see anyone obsessing about you. I obsess about him, just privately in a dimly lit bedroom. |
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Post by Dippy on Sept 18, 2021 16:33:03 GMT -7
His crazy hate comes from Pipkins sucking. You suck too, but I don’t see anyone obsessing about you. I see why this is called the “offensive line” thread 
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 18, 2021 18:57:16 GMT -7
Pipkins is the reserve LOT......if Slater cannot play, Pipkins is in. Pretty certain LOT protects Herbert's 'blind' side. You love to make statements that sound like fact, but are clearly supposition on your part. Where exactly do you come up with " forcing this staff" to retain certain players? Roster building is certainly a collaboration between Coaching staff and Admin, but I think it has been clearly stated Staley determines his rostered players. TT is the GM, and as such has a very full plate, but my guess is it is Staley's job to design a system that protects Herbert, not TT's. Nobody has mentioned 'firing' TT.......another where do you come up with this stuff. Your knowledge of developing GM's is obvious, maybe you should be President of Football Operations for a club! Do you watch all the press confrences? Staley comes out and with a pause says pipkins is a “developing player that will need a lot of time” and then telesco comes out and says he remains bullish on pipkins, then after the seahawk preseason game it was obvious that staley was unhappy with both pipkins and norton, he said something like “we know exactly who these guys are based on their performances” not exactly a resounding endorsement from a the head coach. Did, telesco go out and find him someone since any of that happened? No Not until this week when it was clear your down to 8 linemen and the only backup at tackle is going to be pipkins. I don’t have to be in the meeting room with these guys to come to the conclusion that while they might be collaborating in public, they may have something brewing behind closed doors. I’ve seen this movie play out before with beathard/ross and AJ/schottenhiemer and I don’t want to see that happen again. Pipkins is as clear a bust as you can find and it’s an insult to all the guys on the roster that busted their humps to ‘earn’ a spot let alone to all the other guys that got cut while outperforming someone like pipkins. But it’s also an insult to staley and his staff because these guys aren’t just collecting checks they want to make their mark and win. TT needs to compromise on the fact that pipkins was just a bad pick, and so what? He’s also the same guy that drafted bosa, allen, herbert, and slater etc. No one bats a thousand on the NFL draft, NO ONE. So pride should not come into the equation, you got a lemon? Get rid of it and move on with your business. So if it’s not Tom’s pride then what is it? Is he deluded enough to think someone else will snatch pipkins off waivers and turn him into orlando pace?! After reading this post from you I had two thoughts: You are wound up far too tightly over this..... Speculation and supposition runs amuck with your posts. Pipkins is on the roster, as the reserve LOT. The Chargers made that decision. They get paid to make those decisions. I will trust them.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 18, 2021 19:09:30 GMT -7
Do you watch all the press confrences? Staley comes out and with a pause says pipkins is a “developing player that will need a lot of time” and then telesco comes out and says he remains bullish on pipkins, then after the seahawk preseason game it was obvious that staley was unhappy with both pipkins and norton, he said something like “we know exactly who these guys are based on their performances” not exactly a resounding endorsement from a the head coach. Did, telesco go out and find him someone since any of that happened? No Not until this week when it was clear your down to 8 linemen and the only backup at tackle is going to be pipkins. I don’t have to be in the meeting room with these guys to come to the conclusion that while they might be collaborating in public, they may have something brewing behind closed doors. I’ve seen this movie play out before with beathard/ross and AJ/schottenhiemer and I don’t want to see that happen again. Pipkins is as clear a bust as you can find and it’s an insult to all the guys on the roster that busted their humps to ‘earn’ a spot let alone to all the other guys that got cut while outperforming someone like pipkins. But it’s also an insult to staley and his staff because these guys aren’t just collecting checks they want to make their mark and win. TT needs to compromise on the fact that pipkins was just a bad pick, and so what? He’s also the same guy that drafted bosa, allen, herbert, and slater etc. No one bats a thousand on the NFL draft, NO ONE. So pride should not come into the equation, you got a lemon? Get rid of it and move on with your business. So if it’s not Tom’s pride then what is it? Is he deluded enough to think someone else will snatch pipkins off waivers and turn him into orlando pace?! Would never happen. TT doesn’t have nearly the ego, arrogance or demeanor of AJ or Beathard. I have no doubt that if Staley wanted to cut Pipkins he would. Norton sucked in the pre season was pretty solid when he was out there with the 1’s last week Yep, Staley strikes me as the type of coach that would have firm convictions on players he wants, and those he does not want.
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Post by totallybolted on Sept 18, 2021 20:01:54 GMT -7
I get the sense that the pipkin project is still in the early development stage. way past its initial deadline. The new project manager it seems for now, is allowing in to continue for now. There are other more critical paths to focus on. I expect pipkins to be gone after this year, if things do not improve.
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