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Post by LIGHTS OUT on Jun 3, 2019 10:27:56 GMT -7
Who is playing on the opposition, isn’t as important, on a night when your shots aren’t falling. But give us a couple of the in & outs, and it’s a different outcome. The bottom line is the the Raptors shot 37% on the night, and that usually isn’t good enough to beat a good team. Those nights happen sometimes, even to the best teams. I highly doubt the feeling in the Locker Room is anything close to what it’s like for the fan base. This team is battle tested, and has a Championship mindset. I don’t get into complaining about the officiating, because it’s a tough job to do, and both teams usually get calls that they probably shouldn’t have. The only time I really do get upset with officiating is when someone gets fouled out who shouldn’t have, and it could be argued that Lowry may have been in that position last night. But I have no reason to believe his presence in the final minutes would have made a difference in the big picture, so I’m not really upset about it. Being tied up 1-1 is far from the worst adversity they’ve faced in these playoffs. Taking at least one game at Oracle is not an impossible task either (The Clippers did it in these very playoffs) and we did it in the regular season against a full strength Warriors team on a night when Kawhi was sitting out. The Raptors are capable of doing what needs to be done. It’s of course ideal to always protect your home court, but it doesn’t always happen. The Raptors have won at least one road game in each series, and I have faith that trend will continue. You’re new to the NBA so let me give you some pointers. First, don’t compare the regular season to the nba finals/playoffs. What happened during the grind of an 82 game marathon doesn’t matter when playing on a short track of a focused series. Second, basketball is a match up game. It does matter who is playing. Losing to the warriors JV squad on your home floor is inexcusable. That game was there for the raptors taking. They let it slip through their fingers. The warriors played the bulk of the 4th quarter without 2 of their 3 best players. They had a hand tied behind their back. I still don’t know how they won that game. As much as I usually agree with Chopper's point of view, I think this is 100% accurate. The Raptors don't have OG and didn't have Lowry for the 4th, the Warriors were without Thompson and Durant....and at home against a team that scored 3 points in the final 5 minutes. A championship team should not lose games like this. This loss is a really bad loss, it is only one game but this one feels like a lot more than that. If the Raptors come back after this one and not only win a game in Oakland but go on to win the Championship I will be very impressed. It will also go down as an all time great Finals series if that happens. I do not that the series is not done yet....but unless the Raptors win one of the next two at Oracle it is over. The Warriors won't give up a 3-1 lead in the Finals again. P.S. This is not smack talk.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 3, 2019 12:16:43 GMT -7
How weak was the East this year if GSW is pulling people out of the stands because of injuries, and winning on the road ?
PS This is not smack talk. Well, it IS smack talk. But I want to write that it ISN"T smack talk.
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Post by moekid on Jun 3, 2019 12:37:18 GMT -7
You’re new to the NBA so let me give you some pointers. First, don’t compare the regular season to the nba finals/playoffs. What happened during the grind of an 82 game marathon doesn’t matter when playing on a short track of a focused series. Second, basketball is a match up game. It does matter who is playing. Losing to the warriors JV squad on your home floor is inexcusable. That game was there for the raptors taking. They let it slip through their fingers. The warriors played the bulk of the 4th quarter without 2 of their 3 best players. They had a hand tied behind their back. I still don’t know how they won that game. As much as I usually agree with Chopper's point of view, I think this is 100% accurate. The Raptors don't have OG and didn't have Lowry for the 4th, the Warriors were without Thompson and Durant....and at home against a team that scored 3 points in the final 5 minutes. A championship team should not lose games like this. This loss is a really bad loss, it is only one game but this one feels like a lot more than that. If the Raptors come back after this one and not only win a game in Oakland but go on to win the Championship I will be very impressed. It will also go down as an all time great Finals series if that happens. I do not that the series is not done yet....but unless the Raptors win one of the next two at Oracle it is over. The Warriors won't give up a 3-1 lead in the Finals again. P.S. This is not smack talk. not done at all. it's a series because the Warriors are severely depleted by injury. If Klay plays, he will be at far less than 100%. Iguadala is already limping around. Durant? Who knows what's up with that guy. Curry was "lightheaded" and sick yesterday. Will he be 100% on Wednesday?
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 3, 2019 12:50:41 GMT -7
As much as I usually agree with Chopper's point of view, I think this is 100% accurate. The Raptors don't have OG and didn't have Lowry for the 4th, the Warriors were without Thompson and Durant....and at home against a team that scored 3 points in the final 5 minutes. A championship team should not lose games like this. This loss is a really bad loss, it is only one game but this one feels like a lot more than that. If the Raptors come back after this one and not only win a game in Oakland but go on to win the Championship I will be very impressed. It will also go down as an all time great Finals series if that happens. I do not that the series is not done yet....but unless the Raptors win one of the next two at Oracle it is over. The Warriors won't give up a 3-1 lead in the Finals again. P.S. This is not smack talk. not done at all. it's a series because the Warriors are severely depleted by injury. If Klay plays, he will be at far less than 100%. Iguadala is already limping around. Durant? Who knows what's up with that guy. Curry was "lightheaded" and sick yesterday. Will he be 100% on Wednesday? 1-1 with injuries to GSW ? It's still a series, and its evened out by injuries. GSW is -5.5 points at home, and I trust it about as far as I can throw them.
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 3, 2019 13:11:30 GMT -7
Who is playing on the opposition, isn’t as important, on a night when your shots aren’t falling. But give us a couple of the in & outs, and it’s a different outcome. The bottom line is the the Raptors shot 37% on the night, and that usually isn’t good enough to beat a good team. Those nights happen sometimes, even to the best teams. I highly doubt the feeling in the Locker Room is anything close to what it’s like for the fan base. This team is battle tested, and has a Championship mindset. I don’t get into complaining about the officiating, because it’s a tough job to do, and both teams usually get calls that they probably shouldn’t have. The only time I really do get upset with officiating is when someone gets fouled out who shouldn’t have, and it could be argued that Lowry may have been in that position last night. But I have no reason to believe his presence in the final minutes would have made a difference in the big picture, so I’m not really upset about it. Being tied up 1-1 is far from the worst adversity they’ve faced in these playoffs. Taking at least one game at Oracle is not an impossible task either (The Clippers did it in these very playoffs) and we did it in the regular season against a full strength Warriors team on a night when Kawhi was sitting out. The Raptors are capable of doing what needs to be done. It’s of course ideal to always protect your home court, but it doesn’t always happen. The Raptors have won at least one road game in each series, and I have faith that trend will continue. You’re new to the NBA so let me give you some pointers. First, don’t compare the regular season to the nba finals/playoffs. What happened during the grind of an 82 game marathon doesn’t matter when playing on a short track of a focused series. Second, basketball is a match up game. It does matter who is playing. Losing to the warriors JV squad on your home floor is inexcusable. That game was there for the raptors taking. They let it slip through their fingers. The warriors played the bulk of the 4th quarter without 2 of their 3 best players. They had a hand tied behind their back. I still don’t know how they won that game. You’re the one who is the NBA N00b. I had to explain to you last year who LeBron James is, and there is a 99% chance you have forgotten all about him by now. Of course matchups matter, but they don’t make the difference in whether the shots that you do get off fall or not. The Raptors played around 6 minutes of bad basketball, and 42 minutes of pretty good ball. The shots were only 37% successful, in the big picture that’s what killed them. If Klay & Looney we’re out there last night through the end of the game, would the game have ended up as close as it was ? Probably not. It wasn’t the Raptors night, I’m not disputing that. I’m also not comparing a regular season game to a playoff series. What I’m basically saying is the role players that need to step up on the road, will have the confidence to know they can, because they did it this year already on their own without Kawhi playing. The GSW Warrior squad they faced was also much better than who they will be facing in Games 3 & 4. Sure enough since I wrote that this morning, I’ve heard not only one but two ex-NBA players say the same on the radio. So I’ll take that as I’m not so clueless after all... |
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 3, 2019 13:14:14 GMT -7
The East has home court advantage this year. Home court, home court, home court.....Oh, they lost at HOME ? Home court doesn't matter anymore. I laugh. Oh how I laugh. Assassins Creed. Didn't see Drake poppin' off this game. He knows what's best. Home Court advantage in the Finals is not on a East/West rotation. It’s based on who had the better record (or gets settled by a tiebreaker). The Raptors had a better record, AND swept them in the regular season, which is why they have more home games in this series. As soon as they win one away game, the home court advantage swings back to them. |
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 3, 2019 13:17:06 GMT -7
You’re new to the NBA so let me give you some pointers. First, don’t compare the regular season to the nba finals/playoffs. What happened during the grind of an 82 game marathon doesn’t matter when playing on a short track of a focused series. Second, basketball is a match up game. It does matter who is playing. Losing to the warriors JV squad on your home floor is inexcusable. That game was there for the raptors taking. They let it slip through their fingers. The warriors played the bulk of the 4th quarter without 2 of their 3 best players. They had a hand tied behind their back. I still don’t know how they won that game. As much as I usually agree with Chopper's point of view, I think this is 100% accurate. The Raptors don't have OG and didn't have Lowry for the 4th, the Warriors were without Thompson and Durant....and at home against a team that scored 3 points in the final 5 minutes. A championship team should not lose games like this. This loss is a really bad loss, it is only one game but this one feels like a lot more than that. If the Raptors come back after this one and not only win a game in Oakland but go on to win the Championship I will be very impressed. It will also go down as an all time great Finals series if that happens. I do not that the series is not done yet....but unless the Raptors win one of the next two at Oracle it is over. The Warriors won't give up a 3-1 lead in the Finals again. P.S. This is not smack talk. It was a bad loss to take, but I’m not overly concerned about it. Not too much different than the Game 2 loss to Philly, or Game 1 loss to the Bucks. Both of those were blown golden opportunities as well, but we still took care of business in the end. I have faith that they’ll do the same in this series... |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 3, 2019 13:21:13 GMT -7
As much as I usually agree with Chopper's point of view, I think this is 100% accurate. The Raptors don't have OG and didn't have Lowry for the 4th, the Warriors were without Thompson and Durant....and at home against a team that scored 3 points in the final 5 minutes. A championship team should not lose games like this. This loss is a really bad loss, it is only one game but this one feels like a lot more than that. If the Raptors come back after this one and not only win a game in Oakland but go on to win the Championship I will be very impressed. It will also go down as an all time great Finals series if that happens. I do not that the series is not done yet....but unless the Raptors win one of the next two at Oracle it is over. The Warriors won't give up a 3-1 lead in the Finals again. P.S. This is not smack talk. It was a bad loss to take, but I’m not overly concerned about it. Not too much different than the Game 2 loss to Philly, or Game 1 loss to the Bucks. Both of those were blown golden opportunities as well, but we still took care of business in the end. I have faith that they’ll do the same in this series... I think Game 3 is really critical for Toronto. They can either be defeated by the loss at home, or answer the bell and pay them back revenge game style. That's why I hate the -5.5 points at home for GSW, and the injuries. With a gun to my head, I would play Toronto and take the 5.5.
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Post by LIGHTS OUT on Jun 3, 2019 13:23:32 GMT -7
As much as I usually agree with Chopper's point of view, I think this is 100% accurate. The Raptors don't have OG and didn't have Lowry for the 4th, the Warriors were without Thompson and Durant....and at home against a team that scored 3 points in the final 5 minutes. A championship team should not lose games like this. This loss is a really bad loss, it is only one game but this one feels like a lot more than that. If the Raptors come back after this one and not only win a game in Oakland but go on to win the Championship I will be very impressed. It will also go down as an all time great Finals series if that happens. I do not that the series is not done yet....but unless the Raptors win one of the next two at Oracle it is over. The Warriors won't give up a 3-1 lead in the Finals again. P.S. This is not smack talk. It was a bad loss to take, but I’m not overly concerned about it. Not too much different than the Game 2 loss to Philly, or Game 1 loss to the Bucks. Both of those were blown golden opportunities as well, but we still took care of business in the end. I have faith that they’ll do the same in this series... I hope this one works out the same. Go Raptors!
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Post by moekid on Jun 3, 2019 13:24:24 GMT -7
As much as I usually agree with Chopper's point of view, I think this is 100% accurate. The Raptors don't have OG and didn't have Lowry for the 4th, the Warriors were without Thompson and Durant....and at home against a team that scored 3 points in the final 5 minutes. A championship team should not lose games like this. This loss is a really bad loss, it is only one game but this one feels like a lot more than that. If the Raptors come back after this one and not only win a game in Oakland but go on to win the Championship I will be very impressed. It will also go down as an all time great Finals series if that happens. I do not that the series is not done yet....but unless the Raptors win one of the next two at Oracle it is over. The Warriors won't give up a 3-1 lead in the Finals again. P.S. This is not smack talk. It was a bad loss to take, but I’m not overly concerned about it. Not too much different than the Game 2 loss to Philly, or Game 1 loss to the Bucks. Both of those were blown golden opportunities as well, but we still took care of business in the end. I have faith that they’ll do the same in this series... I applaud you for not giving up on your team they way you did after game 2 of the last series. At least you're hanging in there a bit longer.
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Post by moekid on Jun 3, 2019 13:26:57 GMT -7
You’re new to the NBA so let me give you some pointers. First, don’t compare the regular season to the nba finals/playoffs. What happened during the grind of an 82 game marathon doesn’t matter when playing on a short track of a focused series. Second, basketball is a match up game. It does matter who is playing. Losing to the warriors JV squad on your home floor is inexcusable. That game was there for the raptors taking. They let it slip through their fingers. The warriors played the bulk of the 4th quarter without 2 of their 3 best players. They had a hand tied behind their back. I still don’t know how they won that game. You’re the one who is the NBA N00b. I had to explain to you last year who LeBron James is, and there is a 99% chance you have forgotten all about him by now. Of course matchups matter, but they don’t make the difference in whether the shots that you do get off fall or not. The Raptors played around 6 minutes of bad basketball, and 42 minutes of pretty good ball. The shots were only 37% successful, in the big picture that’s what killed them. If Klay & Looney we’re out there last night through the end of the game, would the game have ended up as close as it was ? Probably not. It wasn’t the Raptors night, I’m not disputing that. I’m also not comparing a regular season game to a playoff series. What I’m basically saying is the role players that need to step up on the road, will have the confidence to know they can, because they did it this year already on their own without Kawhi playing. The GSW Warrior squad they faced was also much better than who they will be facing in Games 3 & 4. Sure enough since I wrote that this morning, I’ve heard not only one but two ex-NBA players say the same on the radio. So I’ll take that as I’m not so clueless after all... and then you spend the rest of the paragraph doing just that.
match-ups do matter when it comes to scoring. i can't even be bothered to explain this stuff anymore.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 3, 2019 13:34:09 GMT -7
You’re the one who is the NBA N00b. I had to explain to you last year who LeBron James is, and there is a 99% chance you have forgotten all about him by now. Of course matchups matter, but they don’t make the difference in whether the shots that you do get off fall or not. The Raptors played around 6 minutes of bad basketball, and 42 minutes of pretty good ball. The shots were only 37% successful, in the big picture that’s what killed them. If Klay & Looney we’re out there last night through the end of the game, would the game have ended up as close as it was ? Probably not. It wasn’t the Raptors night, I’m not disputing that. I’m also not comparing a regular season game to a playoff series. What I’m basically saying is the role players that need to step up on the road, will have the confidence to know they can, because they did it this year already on their own without Kawhi playing. The GSW Warrior squad they faced was also much better than who they will be facing in Games 3 & 4. Sure enough since I wrote that this morning, I’ve heard not only one but two ex-NBA players say the same on the radio. So I’ll take that as I’m not so clueless after all... and then you spend the rest of the paragraph doing just that.
match-ups do matter when it comes to scoring. i can't even be bothered to explain this stuff anymore.
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 3, 2019 15:00:37 GMT -7
It was a bad loss to take, but I’m not overly concerned about it. Not too much different than the Game 2 loss to Philly, or Game 1 loss to the Bucks. Both of those were blown golden opportunities as well, but we still took care of business in the end. I have faith that they’ll do the same in this series... I think Game 3 is really critical for Toronto. They can either be defeated by the loss at home, or answer the bell and pay them back revenge game style. That's why I hate the -5.5 points at home for GSW, and the injuries. With a gun to my head, I would play Toronto and take the 5.5. They just need at least one win from either Game 3 or 4. Doesnt really matter which one, but I, hoping for both...
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 3, 2019 15:01:51 GMT -7
It was a bad loss to take, but I’m not overly concerned about it. Not too much different than the Game 2 loss to Philly, or Game 1 loss to the Bucks. Both of those were blown golden opportunities as well, but we still took care of business in the end. I have faith that they’ll do the same in this series... I applaud you for not giving up on your team they way you did after game 2 of the last series. At least you're hanging in there a bit longer. That’s awful big of you applaud me, after stating I gave up on them last series, when I didn’t.
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 3, 2019 15:11:43 GMT -7
You’re the one who is the NBA N00b. I had to explain to you last year who LeBron James is, and there is a 99% chance you have forgotten all about him by now. Of course matchups matter, but they don’t make the difference in whether the shots that you do get off fall or not. The Raptors played around 6 minutes of bad basketball, and 42 minutes of pretty good ball. The shots were only 37% successful, in the big picture that’s what killed them. If Klay & Looney we’re out there last night through the end of the game, would the game have ended up as close as it was ? Probably not. It wasn’t the Raptors night, I’m not disputing that. I’m also not comparing a regular season game to a playoff series. What I’m basically saying is the role players that need to step up on the road, will have the confidence to know they can, because they did it this year already on their own without Kawhi playing. The GSW Warrior squad they faced was also much better than who they will be facing in Games 3 & 4. Sure enough since I wrote that this morning, I’ve heard not only one but two ex-NBA players say the same on the radio. So I’ll take that as I’m not so clueless after all... and then you spend the rest of the paragraph doing just that.
match-ups do matter when it comes to scoring. i can't even be bothered to explain this stuff anymore.
I don’t need you to explain anything to me, I’m not the one who is perplexed by how they lost. There are two things that factor into scoring...execution of a play (aka getting a shot off) and whether the shot taken falls or not. Matchups matter mostly when it comes to execution of a play. Once the shot is off, matchups have little to do with whether the shot taken results in a score or not. The Raptors executed well enough to win, they just needed 2 or 3 more shots to fall. If the Raptors had a shooting percentage of 50+, I’d be worried about the loss to that patchwork group. Losing by a handful of points on a day which they had an off shooting night, doesn’t worry me so much, but it’s a blown opportunity nonetheless...
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