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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 1, 2020 6:00:38 GMT -7
Urban Meyer won at 3 different universities at the highest levels. Three universities with huge controversies left in his wake. As for winning, so did Steve Spurrier & Nick Saban. How did they do in the NFL? As I recall, they went scurrying back to the college game in short order after not finding success in the very different animal that is the NFL. There aren't many Jimmy Johnsons floating around, and I am just turned off by the sleaze factor that Meyer brings wherever he goes. We shall see. That goes both ways. Pete Carroll came from college. Tom Coughlin, etc etc. There has been a mini wave of it lately as old NFL coaches retire or become stale. The Rams HC comes to mind. I'm not pimping Urban Meyer. Like you, I hesitate wanting college guys to translate unproven to the NFL.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2020 8:15:49 GMT -7
Three universities with huge controversies left in his wake. As for winning, so did Steve Spurrier & Nick Saban. How did they do in the NFL? As I recall, they went scurrying back to the college game in short order after not finding success in the very different animal that is the NFL. There aren't many Jimmy Johnsons floating around, and I am just turned off by the sleaze factor that Meyer brings wherever he goes. We shall see. That goes both ways. Pete Carroll came from college. Tom Coughlin, etc etc. There has been a mini wave of it lately as old NFL coaches retire or become stale. The Rams HC comes to mind. I'm not pimping Urban Meyer. Like you, I hesitate wanting college guys to translate unproven to the NFL. So you are Spanos, or TT, or whomever it is making the big decisions. You have decided to move on from Lynn. What priorities are utilized to begin to define a search? What traits get a coach placed on the list, or removed from the list? No need to name any specific coach, just an outline of how you would go about finding that new HC.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2020 8:54:22 GMT -7
Me personally, I'm tired of unproven assistant coaches/coordinators that have come from winning head coaches. More than half the time they don't pan out... Looking at you Norv Turner and Mike McCoy. and now Anthony Lynn.
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Post by jwr10x on Nov 1, 2020 9:51:29 GMT -7
If Spanos decides to move on from Lynn I don't see him being willing to pay top dollar for a hot name coach.
I could see a top assistant such a Byron Leftwich (Tampa), Randy Fichtner (Pittsburg) Joe Brady (Carolina)getting serious looks.
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 1, 2020 10:15:13 GMT -7
Three universities with huge controversies left in his wake. As for winning, so did Steve Spurrier & Nick Saban. How did they do in the NFL? As I recall, they went scurrying back to the college game in short order after not finding success in the very different animal that is the NFL. There aren't many Jimmy Johnsons floating around, and I am just turned off by the sleaze factor that Meyer brings wherever he goes. We shall see. That goes both ways. Pete Carroll came from college. Tom Coughlin, etc etc. There has been a mini wave of it lately as old NFL coaches retire or become stale. The Rams HC comes to mind. I'm not pimping Urban Meyer. Like you, I hesitate wanting college guys to translate unproven to the NFL. Pete Carroll spent a decade as an NFL assistant coach & coordinator before he became an NFL head coach the first time. Coughlin had seven years of experience as an NFL assistant coach before before moving from Boston College to Jacksonville as the head man. The Rams Sean McVay grew up as the son of an NFL GM, and never spent a day as a college coach (assistant or head coach). Even Nick Saban had a few seasons as an NFL assistant. Meyer (like Spurrier before) has never spent a day on an NFL coaching staff. It’s a different animal than being a college head coach. |
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 1, 2020 10:29:02 GMT -7
It seems like they’ll either need to go for a new coordinator-turned-HC with big potential (Bienemy, Roman, Bowles, Allen, Saleh, Eberflus, Leftwich) or look for an experienced coach who gets let go (Pederson, McDaniels, Zimmer, Spagnuolo).
But they do need to go somewhere else. Lynn is not the answer.
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 1, 2020 10:52:39 GMT -7
That goes both ways. Pete Carroll came from college. Tom Coughlin, etc etc. There has been a mini wave of it lately as old NFL coaches retire or become stale. The Rams HC comes to mind. I'm not pimping Urban Meyer. Like you, I hesitate wanting college guys to translate unproven to the NFL. So you are Spanos, or TT, or whomever it is making the big decisions. You have decided to move on from Lynn. What priorities are utilized to begin to define a search? What traits get a coach placed on the list, or removed from the list? No need to name any specific coach, just an outline of how you would go about finding that new HC. I am not opposed to a potential head coach coming from the college ranks, but my candidate would need to have experience with the NFL culture and coaching men in their late 20’s / 30’s (this can be as an assistant coach) as opposed to exclusively coaching young men in their late teens / early 20’s. With your background, I’d be willing to guess that you find that it’s an entirely different culture and requires different management skills. Even long-time college coach Bobby Ross had once been on an NFL staff as an assistant for 4 years before he left Maryland to take the Chargers job. A major key to college coaching is the way that a team is assembled: visiting teenagers and their parent(s) in their homes & convincing them to come play at your university as opposed to the hundreds of different options that the teen may have. As we know, it doesn’t work that way in the NFL: you build a roster through the draft and keep your own by building a winning culture when they have other options. |
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2020 12:17:54 GMT -7
That goes both ways. Pete Carroll came from college. Tom Coughlin, etc etc. There has been a mini wave of it lately as old NFL coaches retire or become stale. The Rams HC comes to mind. I'm not pimping Urban Meyer. Like you, I hesitate wanting college guys to translate unproven to the NFL. Pete Carroll spent a decade as an NFL assistant coach & coordinator before he became an NFL head coach the first time. Coughlin had seven years of experience as an NFL assistant coach before before moving from Boston College to Jacksonville as the head man. The Rams Sean McVay grew up as the son of an NFL GM, and never spent a day as a college coach (assistant or head coach). Even Nick Saban had a few seasons as an NFL assistant. Meyer (like Spurrier before) has never spent a day on an NFL coaching staff. It’s a different animal than being a college head coach.
Neither has Matt Rhule who is doing a pretty good job in Carolina so far... Pretty safe to say Meyer > Rhule as a football coach IMHO. The game is much different than it was when Spurrier came to the NFL... I think this era of football supports a college coach more than it ever has before.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2020 12:20:17 GMT -7
It seems like they’ll either need to go for a new coordinator-turned-HC with big potential (Bienemy, Roman, Bowles, Allen, Saleh, Eberflus, Leftwich) or look for an experienced coach who gets let go (Pederson, McDaniels, Zimmer, Spagnuolo). But they do need to go somewhere else. Lynn is not the answer. Mark my words... That would be more of the same. 
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 1, 2020 12:20:33 GMT -7
Pete Carroll spent a decade as an NFL assistant coach & coordinator before he became an NFL head coach the first time. Coughlin had seven years of experience as an NFL assistant coach before before moving from Boston College to Jacksonville as the head man. The Rams Sean McVay grew up as the son of an NFL GM, and never spent a day as a college coach (assistant or head coach). Even Nick Saban had a few seasons as an NFL assistant. Meyer (like Spurrier before) has never spent a day on an NFL coaching staff. It’s a different animal than being a college head coach.
Neither has Matt Rhule who is doing a pretty good job in Carolina so far... Pretty safe to say Meyer > Rhule as a football coach IMHO. The game is much different than it was when Spurrier came to the NFL... I think this era of football supports a college coach more than it ever has before. Rhule has 3 years of experience as an NFL assistant coach under Wade Phillips (Buffalo) and Tom Coughlin (Giants). In fact, he has a ring from the 2012 Giants. |
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 1, 2020 13:30:33 GMT -7
It seems like they’ll either need to go for a new coordinator-turned-HC with big potential (Bienemy, Roman, Bowles, Allen, Saleh, Eberflus, Leftwich) or look for an experienced coach who gets let go (Pederson, McDaniels, Zimmer, Spagnuolo). But they do need to go somewhere else. Lynn is not the answer. Mark my words... That would be more of the same. I’m generally more in favor of finding a coach that has experience and *can* win even if they didn’t somewhere (personnel deficiencies, etc.). However, all gambling has risk. Going with a coordinator might have big upside—if you get lucky. But I tend to agree that we either need an offensive mind to develop and scheme for Herbert, or a tough defensive HC to set the tone and be a smart strategic leader, but that brings in an offensive coordinator to be the guru. |
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2020 14:27:31 GMT -7
Neither has Matt Rhule who is doing a pretty good job in Carolina so far... Pretty safe to say Meyer > Rhule as a football coach IMHO. The game is much different than it was when Spurrier came to the NFL... I think this era of football supports a college coach more than it ever has before. Rhule has 3 years of experience as an NFL assistant coach under Wade Phillips (Buffalo) and Tom Coughlin (Giants). In fact, he has a ring from the 2012 Giants. You're right I forgot about that.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2020 20:43:05 GMT -7
So you are Spanos, or TT, or whomever it is making the big decisions. You have decided to move on from Lynn. What priorities are utilized to begin to define a search? What traits get a coach placed on the list, or removed from the list? No need to name any specific coach, just an outline of how you would go about finding that new HC. I am not opposed to a potential head coach coming from the college ranks, but my candidate would need to have experience with the NFL culture and coaching men in their late 20’s / 30’s (this can be as an assistant coach) as opposed to exclusively coaching young men in their late teens / early 20’s. With your background, I’d be willing to guess that you find that it’s an entirely different culture and requires different management skills. Even long-time college coach Bobby Ross had once been on an NFL staff as an assistant for 4 years before he left Maryland to take the Chargers job. A major key to college coaching is the way that a team is assembled: visiting teenagers and their parent(s) in their homes & convincing them to come play at your university as opposed to the hundreds of different options that the teen may have. As we know, it doesn’t work that way in the NFL: you build a roster through the draft and keep your own by building a winning culture when they have other options. It isn't about managing the players, it is about finding that guy that is great at managing all the rest. A simple example would be Herbert. Thrown into the fire, not his job the teach the plays to the players, those expectations are or should be firmly entrenched already. Rather it is Herbert's job to lead.....in all the chaos he brings calm, order.....a sense of control which leads to belief. Lynn is in over his head, he simply is not capable. Great guy, loved by all, etc etc.....but just not capable of calming the raging seas during the storm. When things go awry, Lynn is just a bystander watching things unfold.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 2, 2020 1:48:58 GMT -7
That goes both ways. Pete Carroll came from college. Tom Coughlin, etc etc. There has been a mini wave of it lately as old NFL coaches retire or become stale. The Rams HC comes to mind. I'm not pimping Urban Meyer. Like you, I hesitate wanting college guys to translate unproven to the NFL. Pete Carroll spent a decade as an NFL assistant coach & coordinator before he became an NFL head coach the first time. Coughlin had seven years of experience as an NFL assistant coach before before moving from Boston College to Jacksonville as the head man. The Rams Sean McVay grew up as the son of an NFL GM, and never spent a day as a college coach (assistant or head coach). Even Nick Saban had a few seasons as an NFL assistant. Meyer (like Spurrier before) has never spent a day on an NFL coaching staff. It’s a different animal than being a college head coach. Pete Carroll Carroll had actually coached four seasons with the New York Jets and New England Patriots before taking the USC head coaching job in 2000. There, he went 97-19 in nine seasons, winning seven straight conference titles and two national championships. Coughlin was a little-known assistant with the New York Giants when he took the head-coaching gig at Boston College in 1991 and turned the program around. His three seasons at BC were highlighted by a victory over top-ranked Notre Dame in 1993 that springboarded him back into the NFL. McVay never coached in college. That's actually pretty crazy.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 2, 2020 1:57:52 GMT -7
That goes both ways. Pete Carroll came from college. Tom Coughlin, etc etc. There has been a mini wave of it lately as old NFL coaches retire or become stale. The Rams HC comes to mind. I'm not pimping Urban Meyer. Like you, I hesitate wanting college guys to translate unproven to the NFL. So you are Spanos, or TT, or whomever it is making the big decisions. You have decided to move on from Lynn. What priorities are utilized to begin to define a search? What traits get a coach placed on the list, or removed from the list? No need to name any specific coach, just an outline of how you would go about finding that new HC. We have 3 ways to do it. I will list them in my order of preference: The Monday after the Super Bowl, get a good NFL coach that was just fired. Hire a great assistant coach around the NFL. Hire a college coach.
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