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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 3, 2020 3:05:12 GMT -7
So your preference is to hire a NFL experienced HC that was recently fired because of failure at the NFL level. I would take a look at Jason Garret. That's a tricky call. I like it. I'm not huge on Garrett, but I get the people that like him. I don't know how to put this, but he always stopped the bottom from completely falling out in Dallas. There's a strength in that.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 3, 2020 3:06:37 GMT -7
Desmond King traded to the Titans for a ham sandwich... SMDH... 6th round pick. That's just a damn shame. I like King. Best of luck to him.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 3, 2020 7:24:50 GMT -7
Trading King for a 6th, that just cannot happen. Yes King was unhappy, yes King used the media, but by all the reporting I have read, King was not a disruption to the club, he was just frustrated. I completely understand the club deciding to move King, and with multiple clubs showing interest, how does such a poor trade get accepted. Unless there is a bunch of issue hiding below the surface, whomever made this decision needs to not be making these decisions.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Nov 3, 2020 8:35:09 GMT -7
There's been a few posts here on the CMB about how well run the Steelers are.
You know what else the Steelers do that the Chargers don't?
They make in-season trades for upgrades at their weaker positions. This year they gave pittance for LB Avery Williamson while last year was more of a splash getting Minkah Fitzpatrick for a first.
I'll again mention how badly O-line upgrades are needed NOW to protect young Herbert. I know "it takes two to tango" so maybe deals aren't agreed to, but when there are quality linemen (potentially) available we really should be in a more giving position before irreparable harm (physical or psychological) happens.
It's not about winning now or this season, or making the playoffs. It's about committing to long term success. Herbert appears to be the real deal in his rookie year. This needs to be a foundation season for him to springboard from, and not a crushing blow to rebound from.
And for that to happen, we need better offensive line play and players. TT needs to go find them and get them here ASAP.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 3, 2020 8:47:29 GMT -7
There's been a few posts here on the CMB about how well run the Steelers are. You know what else the Steelers do that the Chargers don't? They make in-season trades for upgrades at their weaker positions. This year they gave pittance for LB Avery Williamson while last year was more of a splash getting Minkah Fitzpatrick for a first. I'll again mention how badly O-line upgrades are needed NOW to protect young Herbert. I know " it takes two to tango" so maybe deals aren't agreed to, but when there are quality linemen (potentially) available we really should be in a more giving position before irreparable harm (physical or psychological) happens. It's not about winning now or this season, or making the playoffs. It's about committing to long term success. Herbert appears to be the real deal in his rookie year. This needs to be a foundation season for him to springboard from, and not a crushing blow to rebound from. And for that to happen, we need better offensive line play and players. TT needs to go find them and get them here ASAP. Herbert could lose out the rest of this season and not be 'damaged' going forward. Herbert has already shown tremendous resiliency, he can handle whatever the future holds. I do think TT needs to be investing in OL, even maybe trading an extra CB, or using the top pick......it just has to happen.
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Post by moekid on Nov 3, 2020 8:59:30 GMT -7
Trading King for a 6th, that just cannot happen. Yes King was unhappy, yes King used the media, but by all the reporting I have read, King was not a disruption to the club, he was just frustrated. I completely understand the club deciding to move King, and with multiple clubs showing interest, how does such a poor trade get accepted. Unless there is a bunch of issue hiding below the surface, whomever made this decision needs to not be making these decisions. Agree 100%. Desmond King is 25 years old and in 2018 was an all pro (not pro bowl but all pro) at TWO positions. Horrible trade |
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 3, 2020 11:01:10 GMT -7
Trading King for a 6th, that just cannot happen. Yes King was unhappy, yes King used the media, but by all the reporting I have read, King was not a disruption to the club, he was just frustrated. I completely understand the club deciding to move King, and with multiple clubs showing interest, how does such a poor trade get accepted. Unless there is a bunch of issue hiding below the surface, whomever made this decision needs to not be making these decisions. Agree 100%. Desmond King is 25 years old and in 2018 was an all pro (not pro bowl but all pro) at TWO positions. Horrible trade It is horrible that the situation escalated to the point where it was either trade King or let him walk for maybe a comp pick down the road.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 4, 2020 3:12:14 GMT -7
Trading King for a 6th, that just cannot happen. Yes King was unhappy, yes King used the media, but by all the reporting I have read, King was not a disruption to the club, he was just frustrated. I completely understand the club deciding to move King, and with multiple clubs showing interest, how does such a poor trade get accepted. Unless there is a bunch of issue hiding below the surface, whomever made this decision needs to not be making these decisions. Remember what I taught you class: GM's trade contracts, not players. King is at the end of his rookie contract. His "big" contract needs negotiated. That's a main reason for him to get shipped for a draft pick. His unhappiness is another reason, and I believe was the factor for sixth round pick. If you are unhappy and disgruntled, Lynn and TT will ship your ass off. Now. Having said all of that, I think a sixth round pick was too low for King. As a matter of conversation, I don't think they did King right. He worked hard, and they threw him over for Chris Harris Jr. Then when Harris got hurt, King was good enough to get some snaps. Its a shame.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 4, 2020 3:19:40 GMT -7
There's been a few posts here on the CMB about how well run the Steelers are. You know what else the Steelers do that the Chargers don't? They make in-season trades for upgrades at their weaker positions. This year they gave pittance for LB Avery Williamson while last year was more of a splash getting Minkah Fitzpatrick for a first. I'll again mention how badly O-line upgrades are needed NOW to protect young Herbert. I know " it takes two to tango" so maybe deals aren't agreed to, but when there are quality linemen (potentially) available we really should be in a more giving position before irreparable harm (physical or psychological) happens. It's not about winning now or this season, or making the playoffs. It's about committing to long term success. Herbert appears to be the real deal in his rookie year. This needs to be a foundation season for him to springboard from, and not a crushing blow to rebound from. And for that to happen, we need better offensive line play and players. TT needs to go find them and get them here ASAP. Pitt is very well run, and they have done it for decades. Its amazing really. Did you know Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season at Pitt ? So even their "down year" ain't a down year. I mean we can teach them what a down year is. Now having said that, nice mid season trades are for teams in the playoff hunt. Maybe you are missing that one player. Getting Fitzpatrick last year was nice. It cost them a first round pick, and they would do it all over again if they had to. Really worked out great for them. But YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING to pull off a big value first round pick trade like that. We ain't going anywhere, so why go get that needed mid-season trade ? There's some reason we "need" to be 3-13 ??
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 4, 2020 7:15:10 GMT -7
There's been a few posts here on the CMB about how well run the Steelers are. You know what else the Steelers do that the Chargers don't? They make in-season trades for upgrades at their weaker positions. This year they gave pittance for LB Avery Williamson while last year was more of a splash getting Minkah Fitzpatrick for a first. I'll again mention how badly O-line upgrades are needed NOW to protect young Herbert. I know " it takes two to tango" so maybe deals aren't agreed to, but when there are quality linemen (potentially) available we really should be in a more giving position before irreparable harm (physical or psychological) happens. It's not about winning now or this season, or making the playoffs. It's about committing to long term success. Herbert appears to be the real deal in his rookie year. This needs to be a foundation season for him to springboard from, and not a crushing blow to rebound from. And for that to happen, we need better offensive line play and players. TT needs to go find them and get them here ASAP. Pitt is very well run, and they have done it for decades. Its amazing really. Did you know Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season at Pitt ? So even their "down year" ain't a down year. I mean we can teach them what a down year is. Now having said that, nice mid season trades are for teams in the playoff hunt. Maybe you are missing that one player. Getting Fitzpatrick last year was nice. It cost them a first round pick, and they would do it all over again if they had to. Really worked out great for them. But YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING to pull off a big value first round pick trade like that. We ain't going anywhere, so why go get that needed mid-season trade ? There's some reason we "need" to be 3-13 ?? This is true, any player we have with true value is probably the player we need to keep.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 4, 2020 8:39:01 GMT -7
Trading King for a 6th, that just cannot happen. Yes King was unhappy, yes King used the media, but by all the reporting I have read, King was not a disruption to the club, he was just frustrated. I completely understand the club deciding to move King, and with multiple clubs showing interest, how does such a poor trade get accepted. Unless there is a bunch of issue hiding below the surface, whomever made this decision needs to not be making these decisions. Remember what I taught you class: GM's trade contracts, not players. King is at the end of his rookie contract. His "big" contract needs negotiated. That's a main reason for him to get shipped for a draft pick. His unhappiness is another reason, and I believe was the factor for sixth round pick. If you are unhappy and disgruntled, Lynn and TT will ship your ass off. Now. Having said all of that, I think a sixth round pick was too low for King. As a matter of conversation, I don't think they did King right. He worked hard, and they threw him over for Chris Harris Jr. Then when Harris got hurt, King was good enough to get some snaps. Its a shame. So GM's trade contracts, but in the next breath you say King is at the end of his rookie contract. Seems a bit contradictory, eh? Then it is 'his big contract' is the issue, implying King will be costly to retain. If King is to be costly on his next contract, must mean he has significant talent......which makes a 6th even more poorly viewed. Now we get to the real reason of the trade.....player unhappiness. Being 'unhappy and disgruntled' will get the club to be vindictive in how they treat you, only to realize their (TT and gang) error, resulting in a take anything to make said player gone, hence the poor trade value. Very very poor management going on..... As I previously posted, whomever is making these decisions needs to not be making them. They are bad business, and on the border of being childish.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 4, 2020 17:46:55 GMT -7
No way to know for sure but the King situation doesn’t strike me as normal MO for Telesco. I’m speculating here, but it may well have been TT’s team doing the best they could with a bad/toxic situation by Lynn et al that was going to blow up if they didn’t move quickly.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 5, 2020 3:06:51 GMT -7
Remember what I taught you class: GM's trade contracts, not players. King is at the end of his rookie contract. His "big" contract needs negotiated. That's a main reason for him to get shipped for a draft pick. His unhappiness is another reason, and I believe was the factor for sixth round pick. If you are unhappy and disgruntled, Lynn and TT will ship your ass off. Now. Having said all of that, I think a sixth round pick was too low for King. As a matter of conversation, I don't think they did King right. He worked hard, and they threw him over for Chris Harris Jr. Then when Harris got hurt, King was good enough to get some snaps. Its a shame.
Then it is 'his big contract' is the issue, implying King will be costly to retain. If King is to be costly on his next contract, must mean he has significant talent......which makes a 6th even more poorly viewed. Now we get to the real reason of the trade.....player unhappiness. Being 'unhappy and disgruntled' will get the club to be vindictive in how they treat you, only to realize their (TT and gang) error, resulting in a take anything to make said player gone, hence the poor trade value. Very very poor management going on..... As I previously posted, whomever is making these decisions needs to not be making them. They are bad business, and on the border of being childish. I can't figure out if you are being mad at me or fighting with yourself. Yes, I was referring to his big contract. It wasn't going to work here. TT likes lowball, then you add in they threw King over for Harris. King was leaving anyway for free agency, and was disgruntled. Might as well get the draft pick out of him now.
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Post by thannah40 on Nov 8, 2020 13:17:08 GMT -7
Trading King for a 6th, that just cannot happen. Yes King was unhappy, yes King used the media, but by all the reporting I have read, King was not a disruption to the club, he was just frustrated. I completely understand the club deciding to move King, and with multiple clubs showing interest, how does such a poor trade get accepted. Unless there is a bunch of issue hiding below the surface, whomever made this decision needs to not be making these decisions. Agree 100%. Desmond King is 25 years old and in 2018 was an all pro (not pro bowl but all pro) at TWO positions. Horrible trade Another STUPID move by this club. When is it “enough is enough” time. Young player, All Pro....6th round pick. SMH. TT is a first class HOF IDIOT |
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 8, 2020 14:33:52 GMT -7
Agree 100%. Desmond King is 25 years old and in 2018 was an all pro (not pro bowl but all pro) at TWO positions. Horrible trade Another STUPID move by this club. When is it “enough is enough” time. Young player, All Pro....6th round pick. SMH. TT is a first class HOF IDIOT How do you know TT made that decision? TT might simply be the face of the club on these things.
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