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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 20, 2023 15:09:14 GMT -7
Staley will call D in 2023. LB is probably only D coach change. They had a best in NFL series of games at end of year. The plan is build on that. OC will be a take charge guy that everyone respects who believes in pass 1st, strong run balance. Age immaterial. Best way for Staley to keep his job is win. There's no way around getting the best OC possible ( for less than Max dollars). I think I'll like the 2023 offense. Let’s not be fooled by the defense’s performance against TN, Colts and Rams. Miami was good. They got out scored 31-3 in the playoffs. Any other team is probably firing their DC after that onslaught. 1) I think you’re right. I will, again, view this team (especially the D) with skepticism until they can show two consecutive seasons of consistent performance against good teams. 2) I think Brandon Staley is tomorrow’s coach of yesterday’s defense. It strikes me that quality offensive coaches have figured out the Fangio scheme and generally have answers for it. I don’t see the defenses have responses to those answers. Ultimately, when/where it matters, you still have to outscore Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and apparently Lawrence and then have the ability to run out the clock with an effective running and short passing game. |
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Post by moekid on Jan 20, 2023 15:23:41 GMT -7
Let’s not be fooled by the defense’s performance against TN, Colts and Rams. Miami was good. They got out scored 31-3 in the playoffs. Any other team is probably firing their DC after that onslaught. 1) I think you’re right. I will, again, view this team (especially the D) with skepticism until they can show two consecutive seasons of consistent performance against good teams. 2) I think Brandon Staley is tomorrow’s coach of yesterday’s defense. It strikes me that quality offensive coaches have figured out the Fangio scheme and generally have answers for it. I don’t see the defenses have responses to those answers. Ultimately, when/where it matters, you still have to outscore Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and apparently Lawrence and then have the ability to run out the clock with an effective running and short passing game. 1st season: it wasn’t his guys and the defense is complicated. 2nd season: it was his guys but they hadn’t played together and injuries. 3rd season: have you seen our freaking schedule? |
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 20, 2023 17:21:24 GMT -7
Let’s not be fooled by the defense’s performance against TN, Colts and Rams. Miami was good. They got out scored 31-3 in the playoffs. Any other team is probably firing their DC after that onslaught. 1) I think you’re right. I will, again, view this team (especially the D) with skepticism until they can show two consecutive seasons of consistent performance against good teams. 2) I think Brandon Staley is tomorrow’s coach of yesterday’s defense. It strikes me that quality offensive coaches have figured out the Fangio scheme and generally have answers for it. I don’t see the defenses have responses to those answers. Ultimately, when/where it matters, you still have to outscore Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and apparently Lawrence and then have the ability to run out the clock with an effective running and short passing game. In 4 reg season games, Staley's Chargers D allowed KC 24, 34, 27, 30. 28.75 avg. Better than most teams. Our D matches up well with the primary team we need to beat. Outscoring them will require more offensive scoring.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 20, 2023 17:33:20 GMT -7
1) I think you’re right. I will, again, view this team (especially the D) with skepticism until they can show two consecutive seasons of consistent performance against good teams. 2) I think Brandon Staley is tomorrow’s coach of yesterday’s defense. It strikes me that quality offensive coaches have figured out the Fangio scheme and generally have answers for it. I don’t see the defenses have responses to those answers. Ultimately, when/where it matters, you still have to outscore Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and apparently Lawrence and then have the ability to run out the clock with an effective running and short passing game. In 4 reg season games, Staley's Chargers D allowed KC 24, 34, 27, 30. 28.75 avg. Better than most teams. Our D matches up well with the primary team we need to beat. Outscoring them will require more offensive scoring.
I can see how one could reasonably argue that, but to me, until they have consistency in the run game and holding good teams to ~24 or less then it’s hard to call this defense reliably good. |
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 20, 2023 17:46:36 GMT -7
I have a sinking feeling the defense will regress next year, not trying to be doom and gloom but I just feel like unless we get another good signing or 2 things may slide. Bosa is a serious cancer and Mack is another year older... Can Jackson return and be competitive? Until I see it I have to doubt. Who do we lose? How active will we be with the cap space we have? Serious questions that don't instill confidence with the FO.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 21, 2023 6:20:49 GMT -7
In 4 reg season games, Staley's Chargers D allowed KC 24, 34, 27, 30. 28.75 avg. Better than most teams. Our D matches up well with the primary team we need to beat. Outscoring them will require more offensive scoring.
I can see how one could reasonably argue that, but to me, until they have consistency in the run game and holding good teams to ~24 or less then it’s hard to call this defense reliably good. You and I are on the same page. The run game HAS to be improved, and greatly. But I have to pick at your choice of words. The run game was not inconsistent. It flat out sucked. 30th in rushing is not only all we need to know, I will post it all offseason until it improves.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 21, 2023 7:33:44 GMT -7
I can see how one could reasonably argue that, but to me, until they have consistency in the run game and holding good teams to ~24 or less then it’s hard to call this defense reliably good. You and I are on the same page. The run game HAS to be improved, and greatly. But I have to pick at your choice of words. The run game was not inconsistent. It flat out sucked. 30th in rushing is not only all we need to know, I will post it all offseason until it improves. The run game can be instantly improved with the right OC hire, a healthy Slater, and a continually improving Joshua Kelley as RB2. PLUS a dynamic WR1 selected in the 1st round to take the pressure off the run game...
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 21, 2023 10:40:04 GMT -7
In 4 reg season games, Staley's Chargers D allowed KC 24, 34, 27, 30. 28.75 avg. Better than most teams. Our D matches up well with the primary team we need to beat. Outscoring them will require more offensive scoring.
I can see how one could reasonably argue that, but to me, until they have consistency in the run game and holding good teams to ~24 or less then it’s hard to call this defense reliably good. I mostly agree. IMO a "Good" D allows less than 20 avg vs the schedule. That means shut down the weak teams. I didn't mean to suggest that we are there, rather the core is in place to be that team in '23. "IF" good choices are made on contracts, FA & draft. I suspect that Telesco & Staley are flirting with success in this regard.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 21, 2023 10:54:13 GMT -7
You and I are on the same page. The run game HAS to be improved, and greatly. But I have to pick at your choice of words. The run game was not inconsistent. It flat out sucked. 30th in rushing is not only all we need to know, I will post it all offseason until it improves. The run game can be instantly improved with the right OC hire, a healthy Slater, and a continually improving Joshua Kelley as RB2. PLUS a dynamic WR1 selected in the 1st round to take the pressure off the run game... Mostly agree. I'm thinking BPA at 21. Speed WR early. He could be 21 if he's the best player at any position when we are on the clock.
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Post by moekid on Jan 21, 2023 11:31:29 GMT -7
Who here thinks the Chargers will nail the replacement of Lombardi? I have zero faith and seeing the names they’re interviewing I’d say less than zero.
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Post by cthommes on Jan 21, 2023 11:52:36 GMT -7
They have no clue whom to hire. Guaranteed We got Spanos and a dart board. I'm sure it will be fine. |
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 22, 2023 11:46:51 GMT -7
Who here thinks the Chargers will nail the replacement of Lombardi? I have zero faith and seeing the names they’re interviewing I’d say less than zero. If by "nail" you mean the 2023 best in NFL OC? No, probably not, maybe.  Confident he will be an improvement? Yes. Staley has a better picture of who / what his team needs in an OC. ...And Lombardi set a low bar.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 23, 2023 6:18:59 GMT -7
You and I are on the same page. The run game HAS to be improved, and greatly. But I have to pick at your choice of words. The run game was not inconsistent. It flat out sucked. 30th in rushing is not only all we need to know, I will post it all offseason until it improves. The run game can be instantly improved with the right OC hire, a healthy Slater, and a continually improving Joshua Kelley as RB2. PLUS a dynamic WR1 selected in the 1st round to take the pressure off the run game... You just don't get it............2 of the 3 things you listed we already have. It takes somethingS different. If you think I am wrong, I'll example something else for you. Tom Telesco will not say anything bad. Always the good spin from him. HE EVEN SAID that run game will be addressed this offseason. HE specifically pointed to the second half of the Jax game. 30th in rushing is a disaster. As we saw when the games count the most. Joe Mixon, Perine, McCaffery, Mitchell, Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, and even Isiah Pacheco are all STILL in the playoffs. "You have to be able to run the ball when everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball."- Emperor
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 23, 2023 10:25:29 GMT -7
The run game can be instantly improved with the right OC hire, a healthy Slater, and a continually improving Joshua Kelley as RB2. PLUS a dynamic WR1 selected in the 1st round to take the pressure off the run game... You just don't get it............2 of the 3 things you listed we already have. It takes somethingS different. If you think I am wrong, I'll example something else for you. Tom Telesco will not say anything bad. Always the good spin from him. HE EVEN SAID that run game will be addressed this offseason. HE specifically pointed to the second half of the Jax game. 30th in rushing is a disaster. As we saw when the games count the most. Joe Mixon, Perine, McCaffery, Mitchell, Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, and even Isiah Pacheco are all STILL in the playoffs. "You have to be able to run the ball when everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball."- Emperor Is this the year TT goes RB in round 1? Is RB the biggest need? and Freak, being able to run the ball when everyone knows you are going to run is much more about the OL imposing its' will on the DL, as opposed to a RB freelancing back there because the OL failed to block well.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 23, 2023 10:28:54 GMT -7
You just don't get it............2 of the 3 things you listed we already have. It takes somethingS different. If you think I am wrong, I'll example something else for you. Tom Telesco will not say anything bad. Always the good spin from him. HE EVEN SAID that run game will be addressed this offseason. HE specifically pointed to the second half of the Jax game. 30th in rushing is a disaster. As we saw when the games count the most. Joe Mixon, Perine, McCaffery, Mitchell, Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, and even Isiah Pacheco are all STILL in the playoffs. "You have to be able to run the ball when everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball."- Emperor Is this the year TT goes RB in round 1? Is RB the biggest need? and Freak, being able to run the ball when everyone knows you are going to run is much more about the OL imposing its' will on the DL, as opposed to a RB freelancing back there because the OL failed to block well. sonorajim is the oline expert. I asked him if it was players and he said he thinks its scheme's and coaching..........................................ok, so they can run block and we just don't know it  Something drastic needs done. 30th in rushing
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