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Post by frozendisc on Jul 7, 2024 5:58:44 GMT -7
I tend to agree af.....with the big question being just how successful will Harbaugh be at getting players to play above their talent level. If the OL isn't that dominant attitude road grader group.....then this 'pray to the Gods' group of RB's is going to be a problem. TE is sketch as well.....WR has zero star talent......which doesn't mean Harbaugh doesn't create five new all-pro players....but might be wise to wait and see the early results. The defence can't have been all scheme, so maybe they had quit on Staley, and Harbaugh/Minter believe in the talent they have on roster....but might be wise....^ Give me a 3-14 season, smoking draft, and a ton of money for free agency.....2025 is the year for expectations.  Bad latte this morning, eh af
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Post by afboltfan on Jul 7, 2024 10:21:19 GMT -7
Bad latte this morning, eh af By no means under any logic or spin is 3-14 something to hope for or see as "good". You're sounding like NYboltfan now.
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Post by sonorajim on Jul 7, 2024 10:22:06 GMT -7
Good grief! I'm shocked that you think this team with this schedule and leadership could be worse than last year.
Just shoot Herbert now if you won't trade him. He'll never believe in himself again in a Chargers uniform.
We have a 10-7 floor and I doubt it's that bad.
No, you do not understand....3-14 is not what I expect will happen, it is what would be best long view. I expect a middle record, 9-8, or 8-9, or perhaps a bounce goes their way getting a 10-7, but those bounces might go against and 7-10....but drafting middle of the pack, which is not what you want. Drafting in the middle locks you into perpetual not good, not bad, just average. Harbaugh might get everybody to play above their talent level in year one, producing a PO club, which might get a win or two. That is the problem though, as this club lacks talent across the roster, and drafting late as PO clubs do will not fix that. Of course the only hope would be having a ton of available cap space for 2025, which they should....but it is easy to get burned in free agency. I have zero worries about Herbert.....he will lift a championship trophy. Gotcha. In reflection I gathered that was your thoughts. Top 5, maybe #1 in the 2025 draft and top in each round.
We'd have to be obviously throwing games. Ain't gonna happen. This club lacks ELITE talent in every position, true but there's enough to carry the team with good coaching, which I believe we have. We're going to go for the W every week and will draft late. Hopefully at 32. There are teams who draft late every year and have continuous success. That's up to the GM and scouts where I think we're in good- very good shape.
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Post by afboltfan on Jul 7, 2024 12:09:41 GMT -7
No, you do not understand....3-14 is not what I expect will happen, it is what would be best long view. I expect a middle record, 9-8, or 8-9, or perhaps a bounce goes their way getting a 10-7, but those bounces might go against and 7-10....but drafting middle of the pack, which is not what you want. Drafting in the middle locks you into perpetual not good, not bad, just average. Harbaugh might get everybody to play above their talent level in year one, producing a PO club, which might get a win or two. That is the problem though, as this club lacks talent across the roster, and drafting late as PO clubs do will not fix that. Of course the only hope would be having a ton of available cap space for 2025, which they should....but it is easy to get burned in free agency. I have zero worries about Herbert.....he will lift a championship trophy. Gotcha. In reflection I gathered that was your thoughts. Top 5, maybe #1 in the 2025 draft and top in each round.
We'd have to be obviously throwing games. Ain't gonna happen. This club lacks ELITE talent in every position, true but there's enough to carry the team with good coaching, which I believe we have. We're going to go for the W every week and will draft late. Hopefully at 32. There are teams who draft late every year and have continuous success. That's up to the GM and scouts where I think we're in good- very good shape.
Bingo. Tom Telesco isn't in the building anymore.
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Post by sonorajim on Jul 7, 2024 12:37:04 GMT -7
Gotcha. In reflection I gathered that was your thoughts. Top 5, maybe #1 in the 2025 draft and top in each round.
We'd have to be obviously throwing games. Ain't gonna happen. This club lacks ELITE talent in every position, true but there's enough to carry the team with good coaching, which I believe we have. We're going to go for the W every week and will draft late. Hopefully at 32. There are teams who draft late every year and have continuous success. That's up to the GM and scouts where I think we're in good- very good shape.
Bingo. Tom Telesco isn't in the building anymore. It may be worth adding that we have several recent college coaches who will have had personal experience with players who will be in the 2025 draft. I'm not worried about finding quality players with later picks,
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 7, 2024 17:40:02 GMT -7
No, you do not understand....3-14 is not what I expect will happen, it is what would be best long view. I expect a middle record, 9-8, or 8-9, or perhaps a bounce goes their way getting a 10-7, but those bounces might go against and 7-10....but drafting middle of the pack, which is not what you want. Drafting in the middle locks you into perpetual not good, not bad, just average. Harbaugh might get everybody to play above their talent level in year one, producing a PO club, which might get a win or two. That is the problem though, as this club lacks talent across the roster, and drafting late as PO clubs do will not fix that. Of course the only hope would be having a ton of available cap space for 2025, which they should....but it is easy to get burned in free agency. I have zero worries about Herbert.....he will lift a championship trophy. Gotcha. In reflection I gathered that was your thoughts. Top 5, maybe #1 in the 2025 draft and top in each round.
We'd have to be obviously throwing games. Ain't gonna happen. This club lacks ELITE talent in every position, true but there's enough to carry the team with good coaching, which I believe we have. We're going to go for the W every week and will draft late. Hopefully at 32. There are teams who draft late every year and have continuous success. That's up to the GM and scouts where I think we're in good- very good shape.
Throwing games is not even a consideration. Harbaugh should bring stellar leadership, organization, and just heart to this club. The problem is other clubs have staff's that do the same, while enjoying better talent on their roster. Finishing 17-25 just locks you into mediocrity.....with two ways out of it, draft really well and or free agency. Drafting well is hard, free agency is even more fraught will failures. There are those among us that wish to blame TT for every failure (af perhaps) yet refuse to acknowledge the ones TT got right. Which illustrates my point well, TT got some right, some wrong, and the club languished in mediocrity. Will the decision making from J Spanos, Horitz and Harbaugh be good enough to elevate the roster to a talent level that truly is in contention? Far too soon to evaluate responsibly, but I like this most recent draft, so there is hope, eh
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Post by sonorajim on Jul 7, 2024 20:15:50 GMT -7
Gotcha. In reflection I gathered that was your thoughts. Top 5, maybe #1 in the 2025 draft and top in each round.
We'd have to be obviously throwing games. Ain't gonna happen. This club lacks ELITE talent in every position, true but there's enough to carry the team with good coaching, which I believe we have. We're going to go for the W every week and will draft late. Hopefully at 32. There are teams who draft late every year and have continuous success. That's up to the GM and scouts where I think we're in good- very good shape.
Throwing games is not even a consideration. Harbaugh should bring stellar leadership, organization, and just heart to this club. The problem is other clubs have staff's that do the same, while enjoying better talent on their roster. Finishing 17-25 just locks you into mediocrity.....with two ways out of it, draft really well and or free agency. Drafting well is hard, free agency is even more fraught will failures. There are those among us that wish to blame TT for every failure (af perhaps) yet refuse to acknowledge the ones TT got right. Which illustrates my point well, TT got some right, some wrong, and the club languished in mediocrity. Will the decision making from J Spanos, Horitz and Harbaugh be good enough to elevate the roster to a talent level that truly is in contention? Far too soon to evaluate responsibly, but I like this most recent draft, so there is hope, eh I think you mean drafting 17-25. I believe that you underestimate our 2024 roster and our ability to improve without an early pick in the 1st. Let's see how things go starting in 9 days through the LVR game. We'll have some live action to review, albeit practice, soon.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 8, 2024 4:56:35 GMT -7
Throwing games is not even a consideration. Harbaugh should bring stellar leadership, organization, and just heart to this club. The problem is other clubs have staff's that do the same, while enjoying better talent on their roster. Finishing 17-25 just locks you into mediocrity.....with two ways out of it, draft really well and or free agency. Drafting well is hard, free agency is even more fraught will failures. There are those among us that wish to blame TT for every failure (af perhaps) yet refuse to acknowledge the ones TT got right. Which illustrates my point well, TT got some right, some wrong, and the club languished in mediocrity. Will the decision making from J Spanos, Horitz and Harbaugh be good enough to elevate the roster to a talent level that truly is in contention? Far too soon to evaluate responsibly, but I like this most recent draft, so there is hope, eh I think you mean drafting 17-25. I believe that you underestimate our 2024 roster and our ability to improve without an early pick in the 1st. Let's see how things go starting in 9 days through the LVR game. We'll have some live action to review, albeit practice, soon. I actually like drafting 15-17. I think James was a 17th pick. I LOVE fallen players like James. Just kick back and see what falls to you. Takes the pressure off.
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Post by amped on Jul 8, 2024 5:54:39 GMT -7
I think you mean drafting 17-25. I believe that you underestimate our 2024 roster and our ability to improve without an early pick in the 1st. Let's see how things go starting in 9 days through the LVR game. We'll have some live action to review, albeit practice, soon. I actually like drafting 15-17. I think James was a 17th pick. I LOVE fallen players like James. Just kick back and see what falls to you. Takes the pressure off. I like drafting last.
I am not punting this season so I feel better if we happen to lose.
There is a narrative in this thread that "we lack talent at every position". I simply do not believe this. The last few years we have lacked in coaching but all of the players flashed their potential at one time or another.
I believe that horrible coaching made good talent look bad.
We will win this year and get in to the playoffs. We may not win it all but we will be the team no-one wants to play.
We will have a pick in the high 20s.
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 8, 2024 6:07:41 GMT -7
I actually like drafting 15-17. I think James was a 17th pick. I LOVE fallen players like James. Just kick back and see what falls to you. Takes the pressure off. I like drafting last.
I am not punting this season so I feel better if we happen to lose.
There is a narrative in this thread that "we lack talent at every position". I simply do not believe this. The last few years we have lacked in coaching but all of the players flashed their potential at one time or another.
I believe that horrible coaching made good talent look bad.
We will win this year and get in to the playoffs. We may not win it all but we will be the team no-one wants to play.
We will have a pick in the high 20s. I think you might be on to something, but I would put it this way....Poor coaching created poor effort, resulting in a lost season. As far as this perceived 'narrative' you mention, clearly it is a generalized statement about the roster. Herbert, James, Mack....are all star talent. None of this discussion means there will be a losing season ahead, but it is my view that far too many things need to go right for the success all want.
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 8, 2024 6:13:57 GMT -7
Throwing games is not even a consideration. Harbaugh should bring stellar leadership, organization, and just heart to this club. The problem is other clubs have staff's that do the same, while enjoying better talent on their roster. Finishing 17-25 just locks you into mediocrity.....with two ways out of it, draft really well and or free agency. Drafting well is hard, free agency is even more fraught will failures. There are those among us that wish to blame TT for every failure (af perhaps) yet refuse to acknowledge the ones TT got right. Which illustrates my point well, TT got some right, some wrong, and the club languished in mediocrity. Will the decision making from J Spanos, Horitz and Harbaugh be good enough to elevate the roster to a talent level that truly is in contention? Far too soon to evaluate responsibly, but I like this most recent draft, so there is hope, eh I think you mean drafting 17-25. I believe that you underestimate our 2024 roster and our ability to improve without an early pick in the 1st. Let's see how things go starting in 9 days through the LVR game. We'll have some live action to review, albeit practice, soon. Yes, you are correct, as I was referring to draft position. I think too many overestimate the talent too often at this time of year. The Harbaugh effect will be interesting, and an unknown for a bit. Harbaugh might take six or seven players to heights previously unattained. Horitz is far more unknown....but I liked his initial draft.
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 8, 2024 6:15:37 GMT -7
I think you mean drafting 17-25. I believe that you underestimate our 2024 roster and our ability to improve without an early pick in the 1st. Let's see how things go starting in 9 days through the LVR game. We'll have some live action to review, albeit practice, soon. I actually like drafting 15-17. I think James was a 17th pick. I LOVE fallen players like James. Just kick back and see what falls to you. Takes the pressure off. Yes, James was a nice bit of lucky for TT, but cannot really count on that each year, eh
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Post by sonorajim on Jul 8, 2024 11:28:11 GMT -7
I actually like drafting 15-17. I think James was a 17th pick. I LOVE fallen players like James. Just kick back and see what falls to you. Takes the pressure off. Yes, James was a nice bit of lucky for TT, but cannot really count on that each year, eh
Top teams depend on all the draft, starting with a late 1st. We have a top young QB.
Hortiz was a long time member of the Ravens very good draft team. Harbaugh has a long history of winning. The Chargers 2024 draft was not a fluke.
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 8, 2024 11:48:46 GMT -7
Yes, James was a nice bit of lucky for TT, but cannot really count on that each year, eh
Top teams depend on all the draft, starting with a late 1st. We have a top young QB.
Hortiz was a long time member of the Ravens very good draft team. Harbaugh has a long history of winning. The Chargers 2024 draft was not a fluke.
Drafting well consistently is difficult......not impossible, but difficult. I liked the recent draft, but let's see what they become as players.
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Post by totallybolted on Jul 8, 2024 13:41:51 GMT -7
I like drafting last.
I am not punting this season so I feel better if we happen to lose.
There is a narrative in this thread that "we lack talent at every position". I simply do not believe this. The last few years we have lacked in coaching but all of the players flashed their potential at one time or another.
I believe that horrible coaching made good talent look bad.
We will win this year and get in to the playoffs. We may not win it all but we will be the team no-one wants to play.
We will have a pick in the high 20s. I think you might be on to something, but I would put it this way....Poor coaching created poor effort, resulting in a lost season. As far as this perceived 'narrative' you mention, clearly it is a generalized statement about the roster. Herbert, James, Mack....are all star talent. None of this discussion means there will be a losing season ahead, but it is my view that far too many things need to go right for the success all want. Every team is in that same position.
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