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Post by frozendisc on Jan 11, 2022 9:04:39 GMT -7
That is the problem with ownership being in the mix, they can go off plan any time they want, usually with poor results. Asking that question in that context would be a disaster. Asking the question that the world is asking is a disaster ?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The greatest CEO of the 20th Century said " Face reality everyday."
I'll go with the greatest. Not political double talk lets have a meeting just to say we had a meeting. And reality is the season ended as the ball sailed through those uprights.....instantly switch to off season mode.
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Post by amped on Jan 11, 2022 13:22:21 GMT -7
Asking the question that the world is asking is a disaster ?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The greatest CEO of the 20th Century said " Face reality everyday."
I'll go with the greatest. Not political double talk lets have a meeting just to say we had a meeting. And reality is the season ended as the ball sailed through those uprights.....instantly switch to off season mode. Up here in Seahawks land Pete Carol is asking why he invented "Tell the truth Tuesdays" after missing the playoffs for the first time in 9 years.
If you cant self evaluate the hard truths you cant be in the NFL.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 11, 2022 14:50:43 GMT -7
Now that some time has passed what we saw was a first year coach who won some games by being aggressive while losing a couple of games when things did not work out. All the "talking heads" are harping on the end of the game and the time out. To me the going for it at our own 18 and not making it was the key play. We gave the Raiders 3 points that were not earned and it cost us in the end where we would have won the game with our TD instead of tying and going to OT. We can hope that he will learn to make better decisions but Staley is a Hell of an Improvement over Lynn (who just got fired as Lions OC. Yea I agree, way to much chatter is being spent on the time out,the 4th down call was worse. Is he really better than Lynn though? IMHO its dumb mistakes in different areas... Lynn and Staley have roughly the same record in their respective first year. Lynn won a playoff game his second year, will Staley do that? Lynn made mistakes, then made them again. Staley looks to be learning. slowly, but learning. Next year will tell more.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 11, 2022 14:57:49 GMT -7
Yea I agree, way to much chatter is being spent on the time out,the 4th down call was worse. Is he really better than Lynn though? IMHO its dumb mistakes in different areas... Lynn and Staley have roughly the same record in their respective first year. Lynn won a playoff game his second year, will Staley do that? Lynn made mistakes, then made them again. Staley looks to be learning. slowly, but learning. Next year will tell more. 4th and 2 at our 18th doesn't tell me he learned a whole lot. We'll see next year.
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Post by cthommes on Jan 11, 2022 15:15:15 GMT -7
Lynn made mistakes, then made them again. Staley looks to be learning. slowly, but learning. Next year will tell more. 4th and 2 at our 18th doesn't tell me he learned a whole lot. We'll see next year. You anti-4th-downers crack me up. So myopic, regurgitating only the misses. Where were you in the Browns game, where punting on 4th-and-not-short from our 20- something would very likely have ended up in a loss? Where were you "GET THE POINTS!" people earlier in this very same turds game, when we converted on 4th to go on to get a touchdown? Oh yeah, let's just keep harping on the 3 easy points we gave the turds in a 3 point loss, and totally overlook the 4 point positive swing that even got us to OT. Hilarious. You have to factor the good with the bad on the aggressive 4th down decisions. Me personally, I don't agree with this particular decision, because it was a very long 1 yard (really 2), and then the play call was trash. But it's not going to turn me into one of you anti-4th-downers. I think if you're expecting to see Staley suddenly tend towards the conservative decisions, you're just setting yourself up for more teeth gnashing. Might as well adjust. |
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 11, 2022 15:17:53 GMT -7
We cannot fire a first year coach with a winning record. Give peace a chance. W/L numbers be damned. I agree Staley is likely not going anywhere, but he needs a serious intervention on his coaching style. Always has been. That was his team making those spectacular 4th quarter drives. Also his team that dropped a punt, and gave up multiple rushing chunks. I want him coaching 2022 with a top vet ILB FA, a stud DL, CB and Matt Arriza from the draft.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 11, 2022 15:25:11 GMT -7
Lynn made mistakes, then made them again. Staley looks to be learning. slowly, but learning. Next year will tell more. 4th and 2 at our 18th doesn't tell me he learned a whole lot. We'll see next year. It told me that he trusts Herbert more than Ty Long. Draft Araiza & that choice won't happen for that reason.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 11, 2022 15:29:13 GMT -7
Missing the playoffs is considered a winning record now? W/L numbers be damned. I agree Staley is likely not going anywhere, but he needs a serious intervention on his coaching style. Always has been W/L.
That was his team making those spectacular 4th quarter drives. Also his team that dropped a punt, and gave up multiple rushing chunks. I want him coaching 2022 with a top vet ILB FA, a stud DL, CB and Matt Arriza from the draft.
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Post by jwr10x on Jan 11, 2022 16:29:24 GMT -7
Funny that we may be upset with having a coach who is willing to trust his players and go for it on 4th and short when it is presented instead of Lynn who would punt on 4th & 1 from midfield and "trust" that the D will make a stop.
Considering that there was a lot of people here banging their drums for us to hire Urban Meyer I am quite happy that we picked Staley.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 11, 2022 16:55:37 GMT -7
4th and 2 at our 18th doesn't tell me he learned a whole lot. We'll see next year. You anti-4th-downers crack me up. So myopic, regurgitating only the misses. Where were you in the Browns game, where punting on 4th-and-not-short from our 20- something would very likely have ended up in a loss? Where were you "GET THE POINTS!" people earlier in this very same turds game, when we converted on 4th to go on to get a touchdown? Oh yeah, let's just keep harping on the 3 easy points we gave the turds in a 3 point loss, and totally overlook the 4 point positive swing that even got us to OT. Hilarious. You have to factor the good with the bad on the aggressive 4th down decisions. Me personally, I don't agree with this particular decision, because it was a very long 1 yard (really 2), and then the play call was trash. But it's not going to turn me into one of you anti-4th-downers. I think if you're expecting to see Staley suddenly tend towards the conservative decisions, you're just setting yourself up for more teeth gnashing. Might as well adjust. You sound upset, obtuse, and you assume too much... I'm not "anti-4th down"... I'm anti 4th down on our own 18 AND like you said, calling a trash play. Staley has left lots of points and potential wins on the field with his idiotic decisions. Try to disparage me all you want, the simple fact of the matter is we are out of the playoffs and leaving points on the field is a LARGE part of that reason.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 11, 2022 16:59:47 GMT -7
Funny that we may be upset with having a coach who is willing to trust his players and go for it on 4th and short when it is presented instead of Lynn who would punt on 4th & 1 from midfield and "trust" that the D will make a stop. Considering that there was a lot of people here banging their drums for us to hire Urban Meyer I am quite happy that we picked Staley. I'd rather have a balance of the 2, but you do you. Urban Meyer and Staley will both be watching the playoffs from their couch so lets see what happens next year.
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Post by ltocbolts on Jan 11, 2022 17:44:39 GMT -7
I don't know why they hired him in the first place. But they sure as heck should have fired him yesterday.
It's not too late to do so now.
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Post by moekid on Jan 11, 2022 18:11:06 GMT -7
I don't know why they hired him in the first place. But they sure as heck should have fired him yesterday. It's not too late to do so now. They hired him for the same reason they hired Norv, McCoy and Lynn before him. He was cheap and available. The Spanos (and in fact the Chargers) have only been successful in their entire history when they have hired a head coach who was a successful head coach somewhere else. Coryell, Ross and Marty all had success as head coaches before they took the Charger job. This guy likely have a great interview and got the job. The McVay coaching tree is already all over the NFL. He was supposed to be a defensive wunderkind. Turns out he helmed one of the very worst defensive teams in the NFL this season. |
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 11, 2022 18:44:27 GMT -7
I don't know why they hired him in the first place. But they sure as heck should have fired him yesterday. It's not too late to do so now. They hired him for the same reason they hired Norv, McCoy and Lynn before him. He was cheap and available. The Spanos (and in fact the Chargers) have only been successful in their entire history when they have hired a head coach who was a successful head coach somewhere else. Coryell, Ross and Marty all had success as head coaches before they took the Charger job. This guy likely have a great interview and got the job. The McVay coaching tree is already all over the NFL. He was supposed to be a defensive wunderkind. Turns out he helmed one of the very worst defensive teams in the NFL this season. I've never really agreed with a HC also serving as a DC. DO ONE REALLY WELL over doing two just ok.
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Post by moekid on Jan 11, 2022 18:51:04 GMT -7
They hired him for the same reason they hired Norv, McCoy and Lynn before him. He was cheap and available. The Spanos (and in fact the Chargers) have only been successful in their entire history when they have hired a head coach who was a successful head coach somewhere else. Coryell, Ross and Marty all had success as head coaches before they took the Charger job. This guy likely have a great interview and got the job. The McVay coaching tree is already all over the NFL. He was supposed to be a defensive wunderkind. Turns out he helmed one of the very worst defensive teams in the NFL this season. I've never really agreed with a HC also serving as a DC. DO ONE REALLY WELL over doing two just ok. He’s a rookie. Our only hope is that he greatly improves. It’s our only hope because Spanos won’t fire him now |
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